Hagler vs Tony Ayala Jr.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by redrooster, Aug 3, 2008.


  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm afraid not my embittered friend. He has very little knowledge about 80s boxing. Manassa does but
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    Pea brain. The only two fighters he has any real knowledge of are Ray Leonard and Whitaker.

    Even so, my knowledge of Leonard is superior to his and probably to the others on this forum. I dig for information, clips, anything. My 1980s library of magazines is top notch. Most of what I've forgotten still exceeds that of many posters here.

    And my video collection? We don't even want to go there.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyhow this thread is about Tony. Tony was the finest jr middleweight in the world.

    He would have mercilessly stomped the life from the helpless Benitez, punching bags like Kalule. James Green would give Tony a good fight being from the same camp and all. Moore would have fought valiantly before being broken down. It would just be a matter of time but he would have put up a fight. Mugabi would be knocked out. Hearns in 1982 would have been too soon for the hitman, still licking his wounds from the Leonard fight. And short pudgy Duran would give mimimal resistance. Good for him Tony couldn't finish his career.
     
  3. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    My 80's magazine collection is top notch as well. Mainly Rings and KO's. And my video collection, around 2000 fights.

    To say that Pea only knows about Whitaker and Leonard is very wide of the mark indeed.

    Your very knowledgeable, but sadly let yourself down with your biased opinions and remarks. All your knowledge gets overlooked with your anti Leonard campaign.

    You collect much programs and posters?
     
  4. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    Do you seriously believe that? Name one fight where he showed he could beat any of the names you put down, or any evidence that he was the greatest jr middle of all time.

    You've just jumped on the 'he could've been great if he didn't go to jail' bandwagon, with no evidence to back your argument up.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I followed Tony early in his career.

    It's about physical attributes. match his up against someone like say, Kalule.

    How would Kalule stand up to him? He was slow and couldn't dent whipped cream while Tony was the hardest hitting puncher the divison had seen in years.

    Don't believe me? Ask Sweet Pea! - Kalule falls in three!

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    I couldnt believe it when I heard Duran wanted to fight Tony. That was the talk of the summer of '82

    ......and if you dont believe me then ask Sweet Pea!

    Davey Moore was a relatively new champion who won the title on eight fights experience. Tony would eat thru his swiss cheese defense and crumble by 5 or 6 at the latest.

    Hearns I dont see as being strong enough-yet. A fireplug like Tony would be bad news for Tommy. Tommy didnt like too much pressure and would make rounds 6,7 of Leonard-Hearns seem like a picnic.

    Hearns falls < ten, his second knockout loss.

    And Benitez you can forget too. It would be like the Hamsho fight except he'd get seriously hurt in this one.
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I use to collect Big Book of Boxing and International Boxing. Once they were done away with, it left me with an empty feeling. That's how much of a junkie I was.

    No programs Robbi. I still got the same pictures of Ali-Quarry and Ali-Spinks painting from Leroy Neiman on my wall.
     
  7. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Still: Leonard SD12 over your boy Hagler.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :lol: He continues to duck my post on the very first page and then calls me out on subsequent pages about stuff I never even mentioned in this thread.

    You're a class act Rooster.
     
  9. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When you said peak hitman, you meant Hagler, not Hearns, correct? Because if you did, I must say that even though I probably would give Marvin the edge, the more I think about it, I envision Tony pulling off a decision win as well. SD, to be exact. As you say, a peaking young tiger vs. a old champion on the decline....I guess I just didn't want Marvin (he's also a fave of mine) to lose his crown, as much as I admire Tony. But it would be to a more than worthy challenger.
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I've seen how formidable YOUR boy was

    Right here--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7AVefJhm-g

    One all time great taking his beating from another all time great
     
  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LAXPDX I meant that the war with Tommy left Hagler half the man he was. You could see it in the Mugabi fight, the one that gave Leonard the courage to make a comeback.

    It is well known that marvin postponed the fight with John because of the numerous injuries recieved in sparring. Sweet Pea can tell you all about it.

    I believe that Tony with his top notch management would be ready and do to Marvin what Mugabi failed to do and what Roldan almost did.

    As you know, Roldan was winning the fight and even one eye gave Marvin the fight of his life. IMO, Roldan would have beaten Marvin on points given two good eyes and based on the trend of the fight

    Yes, Marvin is the greatest middleweight of all time but even he can't reign forever and doesn't have enough in the well to turn back such an opponent
     
  12. bruno's_chin

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    Is there anywhere I can see footage of Ayala?
     
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he used to be on Youtube but you know how easy it is to get videos taken down there.
     
  14. bruno's_chin

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    i was looking but couldnt find him, always wanted to see him, heard he was amazing, How old was he when he got jailed?
     
  15. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is an astronomical projection about Ayala. Who's the best fighter he ever beat? I don't know, not too many good ones on his resume. Robbie Epps?

    Jose "The Threat" Baret looked awesome too in that era until he started fighting good fighters. Mark Breland was supposed to be better than Tommy Hearns.

    You can't make the leap to say he'd beat an all time great like Hagler. There's just no evidence. Ayala was born about 150 years too late. Back then in the wild west, he could've went about banging chicks without permission and not suffered serious consequences. As it is, it's just wasted POTENTIAL, which doesn't translate all the time into success.
    If he didn't have the discipline to keep his dick in his pants, why should we assume he had the discipline to put in the training to beat a monster like Hagler (that's assuming he had the talent to beat hagler, which I don't assume). He had a punch, but nobody knocked out Hagler.
    Assuming he could've kept himself out of jail, he would've gone the way of Scypion, Hamsho, Obel, and Sibson against Hagler. And that's making the HUGE assumption that he could've built up his resume enough to get a shot at Hagler.