Hagler vs Tony Ayala Jr.

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was just 20 at the time and probably 2 or 3 years from his peak. His unbridled ferocity hadnt been seen since the days of Dempsey. You just knew what was going to happen once the bell rung. It was like unleashing your pitbull on someone.
     
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  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course, every great fighter has their share of doubters :roll:
     
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  3. Loewe

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    Ayala isn´t great.
     
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  4. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wish he'd have gone on to fulfill his POTENTIAL. There was cetainly a frenzy about him. But we'll never know and I don't think there's any way we can speculate him handling Hagler.
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    i was checking over tony ayalas resume and what top 10 guy did he beat in the early 1980s that indicated he would have any kind of a chance vs hagler, hearns, duran, leonard, benitez?
     
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  6. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What Tony did to Cuevas, Moore and Czyz in sparring says something in itself.
     
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  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really? Well your B-O-Y wasn't great he was just some puny welterweight who ducked half a dozen fighters in their prime, some punk who picked fights with old has beens. Who else ducked fighters the way Leonard does? Only those who fall under the label of protected media darling

    Suckers click here-->
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7AVefJhm-g
     
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  8. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Who did Ayala beat to be called great? What did he achieve to be labeled great?

    Leonard beat Benitez, Hearns, Duran and Hagler and was champ from ww to lhw. There´s a little difference.
     
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  9. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    which hagler?
    the one who fell asleep in Anutofermo 1 and Duran and Leonard rounds 1-4?
    or the tiger who destroyed Minter and Roldan and Hearns?
     
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  10. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it's peak Hagler who dominated Sibson and Hamsho, I give Marvin a SLIGHT edge. If it's post-Hearns, I'd favor Tony.
     
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  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually I was referring to post Hearns Hagler. Just the fact that Marvin had to postpone the Mugabi fight for 3 months is evidence he was damaged goods coming into it. Marvin really sturggled to win it whereas in the past he probably wouldn't work up much of a sweat taking out the beast.
     
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  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LAXPDX the Hagler who destroyed Minter is the best middleweight I've seen. When he goes into destruct mode as he did with Lee, who can stop him?
     
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  13. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How much of an edge would you give that Marvin over Tony?
     
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  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that
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    "Ayala beats Marvin Hagler." Gimme a break.
     
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  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the same kind of attack he used against Hearns and Lee and I dont care what anyone says that Minter would have won if not for the cuts. Only a ****** would believe a quote from another ****** that wrote it.

    Sorry LAXPDX, I had to get that off my chest.

    Stranger things have happened in boxing. They both seem evenly matched but Marvin with his 50+ fights should have enough experience to cope and plus he's versatile and sturdy. Hagler should definitely make a fight of it.

    The Hagler from the Leonard fight would have been knocked stiff. Too slow, too immobile and absolutely no power or reflexes whatsoever to hold off a young devourer like Tony. Tony would have walked right thru his right jab, his last remaining weapon. Hell, he almost lost to Mugabi!

    Stranger things have happened. Remember that a lot of people including myself thought Richie Sandoval didn't belong in the ring with Chandler with him being a prospect and all but as it turned out, Chandler was no match for him.

    Also keep in mind the same thing happened between Sugar Ray leonard and Terry Norris. We all know how that turned out. A surprise to many people but not me.
     
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