Hagler vs Tony Ayala Jr.

Ayala would not have shredded Vargas quickly. The pre-Tito Vargas was a helluva fighter, and I dont think Tony's power was any more murderous than Tito's. Ayala certainly had more firepower than Vargas though, and that might have been the differance, but it woulda been a war.

And to the guy that said you're not sure if Ayala beats Moore. Yes he would have. Ayala would have wasted Moore. Davey was no slouch, but the talent differance between he & Ayala was too big for Davey to have won.

Ayala would've been a helluva fighter had he not gone to prison, but Hagler was just something special. As was Leonard, and Hearns.

 

Moore tends to get underrated when compared to Ayala imo.

he had plenty of talent himself, while being the better boxer-puncher of the two.

the Duran fight often gets mentioned when comparing the two, but the closest Ayala ever got to Duran was the first time he shook his hand.

 

A peak Hagler stops Ayala somewhere around the 9th or 10th round. Too much class and ability. Tony never fought anyone near the level of a peak Hagler. Tony might give Marvin some rough moments early in the fight but as it wears on Hagler's experience, power, chin and boxing ability come to the fore and do the job.

 

I don't see Tito lasting too long against Ayala either. Trinidad's a hell of a fighter. However, Tony was bigger, stronger, much harder-hitting and would've been backing Felix up fast. Tony would've swarmed and pounded him in the ropes until Tito collapsed.

Hagler, esp. the prime version, as well as Leonard and Hearns, were indeed something special. However, I think only Hagler, in top form, could've possibly taken Tony. I give Roy Jones a chance as well.

Tony Ayala Jr. was an unnatural talent.

However, not everybody thinks so. And that's their right.

 

If i may lax,why is your every post about ayala? Are you a boxing fan or an ayala fan?

 

Theres never been a fighter that traded with Tito and won. And while Ayala had great talent, so did a prime Trinidad.

As it is, Tito was far more proven, and I think would have blasted Ayala out.

And you give Jones a chance? LMMFAO! Roy Jones would have sent that ****** piece of **** to an early grave!

 

A delusional Ayala fan at that!

 

I am both. I've loosely followed boxing for many years. I was a fan of SRL as a kid, also loved Hagler and Hearns. Had lots of respect for Duran. Growing up in heavily Hispanic South Texas, I kept up with Julio Cesar Chavez, as he's practically a folk here down there. I wasn't a big fan of Julio, but I love DeLaHoya. Great boxer and great person.

I remember reading a few articles on Tony when I was a kid. However, it's only been in the last few years that I've really become obsessed with Tony. His story is so fascinating. I've read so much articles about him lately, and he just seemed like a special talent that comes along once in a lifetime. Beating up Cuevas at 14 was just one of the highlights. The downside though is that he was as personally troubled as he was talented. Being raised in a super-tough, super-macho environment, coupled with being molested as a child, young Tony dealt with his pain in self-destructive ways. He was drinking and doing heroin as early as age 12. Then there was the way he treated women.

The Tony Ayala story is fascinating indeed, however I admit I also have Asperger's syndrome. One of its symptoms is obsessive-compulsive tendencies.

I have lots of fixations on certain things. Tony's just one of them.

 

Ok,i understand now. Didnt mean to be rude,peace....:good

 

I knew you didn't....John Thomas asked me about it, too.

 

On youtube i found no footage of ayala,any youd recommend laxpdx?

 

I agree with whoever said Ayala would done well vs hittable guys, who werent huge punchers. Thats why he'd have done well vs Moore, Vargas, or a guy like Matthew Hilton, but not done well at all vs Leonard, Hagler, McCallum or Hearns. And ppl give Ayala a chance vs Hearns cuz of Tommy's chin, keep in mind that Hearns ate short, squat bangers like Ayala for breakfast. Cuevas, Duran, even Roldan. Juan Roldan might not have been as skilled as Ayala, but he was naturally bigger and was a big puncher. Hearns would have starched Ayala. Tommy was no damn Robbie Epps!

I dont think Ayala would have beaten a prime Donald Curry either.

 

His 1 round destruction of Robbie Epps.

 

Like Xplosive said, his KO of Epps. There used to be footage of Ayala-Gregory on youtube. It was over in three, although Tony looked a bit lethargic in that one.

To name a few others, Herrera, Baltazar, and Baquedano Rendiz (on the undercard of Leonard-Hearns I). All were brutally finished.

Against Maldonado, he was knocked down in the first, but Mario was savagely annihilated by the 3rd and quit.

I wish I could find footage of 14-year old Tony's demolition of prime Cuevas, or his sessions with Bobby Czyz and Davey Moore. Tony gave them both severe beatings.

I'm waiting for youtube to post Tony again, hopefully. I'd recommend any Tony videos you can find, honestly. As long as they're not POST-prison. His second career was a joke.