Hagler - What If...

Show me the links to these threads. You're lying as usual. I've beaten you in every single debate we've ever had, to the point you've either run away from the debate altogether, or just admitted defeat elsewhere.

 

The Hearns/Jones thread where you indicated that i was the first poster that you ever put on your ignore list on any forum, simply because i proved you wrong and people were agreeing with me. In fact, the only debate that i even admitted you that you won was in the Jones/Robinson thread. Where we were having a a debate on who was faster of the two. I basically gave that one away, i was bored and didn't have anything better to do and there were no good threads going at the time. :good

 

LOL, pretty much everyone on that thread(andf the one started here on the same topic) agreed with me and ridiculed you, clown.

Post the link if that's how it went down. I was about to put you on ignore because you were doing what you're doing now. Lying and twisting facts, and going around in circles. Your immaturity is amazing.

 

Am i allowed to post links on this site from boxing-scene without getting banned? Because i have heard from a few posters that this is a pretty strict site. Also, TheManchine and and Brocton Lip didn't disagree with me and there were a lot of people that choose Hearns on that poll. Many people also choose Hearns on the poll that was posted on this site as well and was agreeing. In fact, over 10 people on this site choose Hearns to win if i am not mistaking.

 

Weren't you the guy who brought him over here?

Shame on you if so!

:fire

 

I don't recall a poll, I just require a near shutout and you being clowned until one of the resident Jones haters Sizzle showed up and agreed that Hearns would win.

TheManchine pretty much always agreed with me, post the link to me in private at least, I'd be surprised if he went for Hearns.

 

Nah, he just knew I posted here, so he decided to contaminate this forum with his 3rd grade logic as well.

 

I am on almost every forum with the exact same username. I wanted to try out a new site because the other site is one of the most dullest, childish and thread repeating forums on the web. Anyway, i just pmed you the link.

 

I think Slicksouthpaw makes a good point. Monzon's competition just wasn't what Hagler's was. Who was around back then anyways? Just Valdez, who lost twice to Corro. All those other guys, nobody really knows who they were. Benvenuti was on the way out and not really a dominant middleweight anyway.

Griffith's prime was last seen around 1966 and with too many losses. Same with Briscoe who was a rough and tumble customer without the skills and head movement of a Juan Roldan. In fact, I believe Roldan would have knocked out Benvenuti to take the title had he been fighting in those days.

Most of Hagler's comp was much younger, and talented, not to mention more capable, and knew what they were doing. And for confidence, no one matches a brash, young, Mustafa Hamsho. Sibson, Hamsho, Obel, Mugabi, Hearns, Leonard were so much more capable and reutable fighters than those of the Monzon era and Napoles was falling apart at the seams. Monzon still a great fighter-just not as great as Hagler.

 

You're going to get a bit of argument concerning Valdez' punching power and we can throw Briscoe in too. The other thing is anyone who has seen the KD will be shaking their heads at it being used seriously against Monzon. If anything it's a credit to his durability but someone else can go into it deeper.

Completely decimated? Hmmmmmm

And a damn old Duran who came from a much lower peak weight gave us an interesting fight vs Hagler. Add to this Monzon had previously stopped Griffith.

 

,Hagler fought more punchers yes,but monzon fought and took the best of briscoe and valdez. He took a clean bomb from valdez and got up in
a fraction of a second. He was 36 at the time. Many say valdez is the equal punch power wise of any opponent hagler fought. To me monzons durability is up there with the greatest of all times,and i see no middleweight stopping him. I admit hagler was super durable,more proven and arguably the best chin of them all,but at this level it doesnt give him an advantage over carlos.

The briscoe that monzon fought was in his prime or much closer to it than the brisoce hagler fought. Also,monzon went into the trenches and won against bad bennie,wheras hagler had to box bennie as even the marvelous one knew better than to tangle with bennie close up.

Carlos stopped griffith first fight and then beat emille on points second time,i dont like to make excuses but carlos had to run three miles the morning
of the fight to make weight,yet still won over 15.
Griffith was a more proven and natural quantity than duran at middle.

Finally,monzon never lost to a one fight in five years welter or drew with vito in a world title fight.....:rasta

 

Probably would have cleaned out the division more than he did, and reigned until Leonard beat him.Definitely would have fought Curtis Parker, Dwight Davidson, and Frank Fletcher.Also, I don't think you would have seen rematches with Hamsho, and Obeljimas.

 

nothing about Hagler is overrated. Great chin and great skills and underrated power. He didn't have one punch power, but his power did seem to paralyze guys.