Hamed vs Barrera

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ryanm8655, Feb 19, 2009.


  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Perhaps I am in the minority when I say Barrera could have beaten Hamed even if he wasn't as defensive minded as he was. Marco had one of the greatest offensive arsenals the lower weights had ever seen, and he had the speed and combination punching to not only beat Hamed to the punch, but stop him late. Hamed's power was overrated. He never knocked out anybody of Barrera's level. Never.
     
  2. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Indeed.
    Welcome BTW:good
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Funny you should mention the Augie Sanchez fight. Naseem made hard work of a really average fighter that night, and ended up relying on his power, like he always had done. I still can't comprehend why Barrera was made such an underdog when he had fought and beat better opposition than anybody Hamed had ever fought. Not to mention Barrera was coming off the greatest performance of his career. The writing was on the wall.
     
  4. scurlaruntings

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    Not in the slightest. Naz was a known quantity and a super star then globally at 126lbs. His amazing unorthodox power was well known and his biggest asset. Considering Barrera`s style pre Naz this was the reason "why" he was an overwhelming favourite.
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Barrera wasnt stupid. He stuck to an excellent game plan. Plus Naz is the type of fighter that can carry his power for the full 12.Barrera didnt take any risks and rightly so. Either way Naz had an excellent chin and a KO would be highly unlikely. Naz`s problem was his immense ego and his discipline. His brothers were a bunch of ****s. And as he got older he got incredibly sloppier and lost all the technique he learnt at Wincobank and simply relied on his power as an equalizer. And Barrera can say what he likes as he was just as arrogant as Morales. Naz`s power was real thats a fact. But it only mattered of course if he could land.
     
  6. Addie

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    Another misconception.

    Marco Antonio Barrera had already started putting on Boxing clinics even before the Naseem Hamed fight. To add insult to injury, Emmanuel Stewart was in attendance for his spectacular showing against Salud, and despite championing Barrera in every imaginable way, he still couldn't get the best out of Hamed.

    Hamed was a superstar based on his persona, not because he was looking good in any of his fights. He looked terrible against both Kelley and Sanchez, two fighters Barrera would have dominated, not taking a hit himself, before knocking them out. They were worlds apart, and the Salud and Morales performances alone should have made this obvious.
     
  7. scurlaruntings

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    Manny Steward nor Oscar didnt do **** all for Naz during camp. The guy was too busy filming on C4 and making documentarys about himself.
     
  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Against Morales he lost. BOTH men put on an exceptional show that didnt involve any boxing. They simply beat each other up. The state of there faces after the bout as well as the scintillating action through it was proof of that. As for Barrera standing Sanchez or Kelley on there head thats just your opinion and merely supposition. The facts remain Naz WAS the star attraction at 126 and Barrera was not. Naz was known for his KO power and akward style. His peformances were sloppy vs Kelley and Sanchez but both ended in resounding KO`s. But that aside it was Naz`s meteroic rise that launched him into stardom. The Naz victory was what catapulted Barrera into the mainstream. Most hardcore fans were aware of his boxing abilities because of the Salud fight. But a few clinics doesnt make him a boxer. Like i said before the Naz fight he was viewed as a brawler. You only have to look to his previous fight with Morales for proof of that.
     
  9. scurlaruntings

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    You should have seen his camp. It was a monumental joke. It was then i realised what an overrated turd Steward truly is.
     
  10. Addie

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    Everything I have said on Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera has already proven to be true. Hamed was "out-classed", despite being the ridiculously over-whelming favorite, and it was Barrera who established himself as the best 126lb fighter in the world. Hamed? Well he faded into obscurity and kept getting in trouble with the police. Marco had always showed ability to box, and always looked substantially better against higher class opposition than Hamed ever did. I'm not saying Marco should have been favorite, but the odds were silly and it proved to be the case.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

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    Definitly the odds were wrong but thats boxing. They did the same with Hopkins vs Tito with Hopkins a massive outsider to win....
     
  12. Addie

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    They did the same with Hopkins vs Pavlik. I was so close to betting on that fight. I was convinced, and you can see my posts leading up to the fight, that Hopkins was going to out-class Pavlik.
     
  13. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just found this in the esb archive:

    Most people outside England never saw him in his prime (1996), and only saw him post Kevin Kelly when he had detereated tremendously due to lack of training which was mainly down to his silly ego and him thinking he just needed to turn up to win.

    People say Barrera exposed him, this was not the case. He had slipped so far by then that he was waiting to be taken. The Naseem Hamed that beat Steve Robinson and Said Lawal would have took Barrera out Just like Junior Jones did. I know people will say that aside from Barrera he never faced a great fighter, but watch him in his prime he would have been a legend if he hadn't let his ego turn him into a has been.

    I think the Kevin Kelley fight was the real beginning of the end for Naseem.
    Early Naz was slick like Herol Graham, with monster power, but as he got more and more confident he had so much ego that he neglected to box and just went in there too complacent. He wanted to thrill and entertain and show disdain for his opponent just a bit too much, and no one can do that at the highest level. A fighter needs to use his skills and develop them to be the best in the world and remain so.

    Hamed got to the point where he believed he didn't even need his skills. I think the Kelley fight actually made him believe he was invincible, and he lapped up the praise for the fight being exciting. Instead of being concerned that he got hit too much and dropped, I guess he just saw it as inevitable that he'd always win, because he was a "legend" and not a mortal human.

    Hamed is a lesson to all that too much hype and showmanship and ballyhoo and talk can get in the way. The guy didn't even drink or do drugs, and I doubt he played around with too many women, he lived basically within the bounds of being respectable muslim. But his sheer ego and over-confidence made him forget what got him there in the first place. By the time he fought Barrera he was relying only on his power and the assumption that his opponent would bow to his superiority. The kid's arrogance got the better of him.
     
  14. Addie

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    I stopped reading after the Junior Jones reference. I have watched a lot of Hamed. He always got tagged, and he was never talented enough or versatile enough to beat a well schooled fighter like Barrera.
     
  15. Realspitts

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    :deal