Hamsho vs. Valdez

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  1. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. Loewe

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    Valdez. He is just the better and greater fighter. Valdez was the second best mw after Monzon in a good era while Hamsho was an average mw in a average, maybe even weak, era.

    Valdez KO9-13.
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Valdez handles Hamsho with ease and stops him inside of 10.
     
  4. natonic

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    Valdez inside of 8.
     
  5. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All Valdez. He was a damn good middleweight. Too bad he came along when King Carlos reigned. He would have chopped Hamsho up.
     
  6. TBooze

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    Valdez would win fairly easily (TKO in the championship rounds).

    But Valdez was strange, he seemingly had the Middleweight world at his feet when Monzon retired, but never really got going, maybe the Monzon fights ruined him? Maybe age (he was 31) caught up with him?
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Rodrigo Valdez that stopped Bennie Briscoe would destroy Mustafa Hamsho. No tko or decision with no knockdowns or anything like that, no...he would demolish Hamsho, just like he did Bad Bennie, and outclass him along the way. Hamsho didn't have any pop on his punches either, the way Briscoe did, so he would have nothing to deter Valdez with. Valdez by ko in 6.
     
  8. Waynegrade

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    I agree he would have torn up Hamsho. I think by the time he fought Corro, he was all done. he followed Corro around with the `earmuffs` on. The old saying, ` he couldn`t get off` applies here. Two tough fights with Monzon will do that to you...
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although, I have always been a big Valdes fan and not a Hamsho fan, barring cuts, I see Hamsho there at the end but losing the 15 round decision. However, the cuts are a realistic factor as Hamsho had that propensity to bleed. I will give him kudos though for having an inhuman jaw and a pressure style which could see him the distance in this bout. But again, Valdes in 15.

    Scartissue
     
  10. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hamsho would have his moments,but Valdez would win by like 11-4 in rounds.
     
  11. klompton

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    Valdez would have busted Hamsho up pretty bad.
     
  12. Stevie G

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    Valdez - No contest,imo. Hamsho was a tough and durable type,but he was nowhere near as good an allround boxer as Rodrigo was.

    Valdez by a mile on the scorecards.
     
  13. Manassa

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    Goes one of two ways; Hamsho smothers and spoils Valdez and holds him to a draw or close decision - or Valdez just bangs him up and wins inside the distance.

    Hamsho was the superior swarmer and may have something in his style to thwart Valdez - like Arturo Godoy against Joe Louis - but it may be a long shot to think so.

    Hamsho was strong, fit and durable, but against a puncher like Valdez that could all mean nothing if defensive technique doesn't make a showing. I'd say Bennie Briscoe was a bit better than Hamsho, possessive of a pole-like jab and good slipping & ducking skills - even if he didn't avoid a punch totally, often the brunt of it would glance off the side of Bennie's skull... Hamsho wasn't as good in this area and had little long range offensive tactics to maintain ground. That said, Hamsho's style was different, more messy and possibly more effective than Briscoe's against the right fighter.

    Valdez wasn't far off being a perfect puncher; his hands were fairly quick, very strong, he punched in combination with authority and was quite accurate. The only flaw I could ever see was that he didn't go for the body much, but against Hamsho that shouldn't really matter as his jaw was there for the taking anyway.

    Factor in cuts and damage into the equation like others have mentioned, and you're probably looking at a Valdez stoppage win.
     
  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Valdez wasnt the boxer Hagler was, not too smart and not great defensively. I see Hamsho getting in but also taking his lumps. Considering the level hamsho was fighting at plus his win over slickster Minter, I see this going either way for a decision
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Valdez that destroyed Briscoe in their 2nd match would have done likewise to the inferior Hamsho. Valdez was a better puncher shot for shot than Hagler. Just watch that 2nd Briscoe fight and try to downgrade Valdez.