Haney and Tank are screwed...

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I highly doubt they're screwed.

    Davis would take out Garcia IMO. Sure, neither really have proven chins, but Davis' so far seems way better. Ryan is a very good offensive presence with rapid hands and a big punch. He's quick at putting them together too, so he could land big and often on Tank. But ultimately, I don't think packing glass and recklessly charging in with your chin in the air is ever going to beat a fighter like Tank. Tank should also KTFO Haney.

    I'd favour Ryan Garcia over Haney. Haney was badly wobbled by Linares and didn't seem to have been able to truly figure out what his rotting corpse brought to the the table. Linares was able to be fairly competitive and badly hurt Haney with nothing but speed and power. Ryan has blazing speed and power in that left hook. He's been in there with Haney before and even with the puncher's burden of head guards, still managed to go 3-3 with the better boxer - whose style is perfect for taking away the left hook. Haney has literally zero power. I'm actually quite surprised how somebody can be so athletic and yet have literally no force in them. Ryan dealt with a tidy southpaw last time out and has even less to fear from Haney in terms of power. Ryan finds Haney's chin and absolutely takes him out IMO. Linares isn't as quick as Garcia at this stage and never had power like his.

    Lomachenko is firmly the best in the division and should be installed as favourite over any of them.

    Both Kambosos and Lopez are wild cards, and I reserve judgement until I've seen some more. That fight was a melting pot of variables and I'm not convinced of anything until other results back things up. If Lopez sorts himself after this loss, can make weight right and goes back to fighting smart, he's still the best LW in the world. But if he isn't able to, then he's not even really a threat to Loma or Davis. He could still beat Haney and Garcia, but they'd be dangerous fights. Kambosos is an interesting case, because he looked pretty good vs Teofimo - although not great like others have claimed - but didn't impress beforehand. He's tough, brave, has a high workrate and is decently skilled. I think he has a shot vs anybody but Loma. He'd be too tough and spiteful for Haney and Garcia, who I think he'd likely overwhelm later on in the fight - especially Haney, who's not got the power to keep Kam off him. He could beat Davis, as Davis dropped plenty of rounds against Barrios and Santa Cruz; two tall, rangy guys who threw a lot. Kambosos fits that bill, and Davis' struggles in putting away Gamboa, and even Barrios to some degree, give me pause on whether or not he'd beat Kambosos. He likely will, but I'm not betting on it.

    It's a good division, but not the most exciting in boxing.
     
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  2. Manfred

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    Fact is that Haney don't get wobbled in every fight he fights. He didn't get wobbled in the Diaz fight and contrary to popular belief, Davis didn't get wobbled in the Cruz fight. You should watch the fights and stop listening to the commentators. As a matter of fact, I have never seen Davis wobbled in any fight. He takes a good shot. Haney already stated that he is moving up. He just wanted a shot at consolidating the belts at 135 but them so-called warriors don't want that smoke.
     
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  3. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He might have the power to stop Haney but he don't have the skills to beat him. Haney is the better boxer by a long shot. It's a 60/40 fight for me in favor of Haney.
     
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  4. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    While Haney's chin is still suspect, Davis takes a good shot. As for Garcia, he is packing glass himself with less defensive skills than Haney. He is a knock out waiting to happen. Kambosos ain't beat nobody but Teo and I am a true believer that Teo beat himself. Loma lost to Teo and then beat an average fighter and a shell of a fighter in Commey and you acting like he beat superman. GTFOH with that yak.
     
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  5. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Talk to me after Davis's suspect chin gets blown to smithereens. There's a REASON he's been matched so carefully.
     
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  6. Manfred

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    Who gon do it?
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Someone is in denial of reality, and has convinced himself that what he's seeing, in fact isn't actually happening.
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  8. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    Mind you that since moving to 135, Tank Davis hasn't fought the big guys of this division. I mean, guys with the bigger size, heavier natural weight, bigger strength and longer reach. All his opponent he faced in this division were either small guys (Cruz) or originally featherweight goes up weight (Gamboa, Leo Santa Cruz).

    Well, actually there is a guy who was an ex-featherweight in Lightweight division he yet to face. They are exactly the same size. But not sure when he and his daddy feel that the time is ready to face this man.
     
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  9. Manfred

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    Naw, it's more like somebody is trying to get me to reject the evidence of my own mind. That ain't gon happen.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, I was right, you're in complete and total denial. Haney and Davis were both clearly hurt several times against Linares, JoJo and Cruz. The only way you can deny that is you someonhow coming up with a new criteria of what you consider hurt. Haney literally did the stanky leg going back to his corner against Linares. JoJo and Cruz clearly visibly stunned both of them, prompting them to hold like maniacs on several occasions. Now was it foot dragging ****ed up like Commey last night? No. But they were both hurt.
     
  11. Alo2006

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    The facts that you put Garcia above Haney and Tank shows me you have no clue what you are talking about lol. It's a reason Garica has been ducking Tank and especially Haney! Tank KO's Garcia and Haney out boxes him to a UD.
     
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  12. Manfred

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    Naw, I said that Haney wasn't wobbled in his last fight with Diaz and he wasn't. He got hit with a good shot at the end but it didn't wobble him. Everybody knows he got buzzed against Linares. As for Tank, I have never seen him buzzed. Cruz certainly didn't do it. The commentator said oh he rocked Davis but I didn't see that and I re wound the tape two or three times. The same commentator said after Davis hit Cruz with a sharp uppercut in the fifth round. " that was a nice uppercut by Cruz" and Davis was clearly the one who threw the uppercut. I say that to say this. I know boxing and I know what I am looking at. Davis was not hurt at all in that fight. He hurt his hand in the nineth and stopped using it in the tenth, eleventh and twelveth.
     
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  13. theanatolian

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    Garcia is the one who was dropped hard against Campbell, but Haney is the one with the glass jaw for getting whobbled against a just as big of a puncher as Campbell but with better technique? Makes zero sense. Haney probably doesn’t have the power to exploit Garcia’s questionable chin, but he may have enough to get him to reset.

    The funny part is, they were actually ordered to face each other earlier this year but despite their amateur rivalry being pretty even, It was Garcia who didn’t want it and told Haney that he was boring(which is true, but he’d be a lot more intriguing match IP than Garcia vs Fortuna) when the latter called him out on it.
     
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  14. CST80

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    I'd suggest rewatching both, Haney was stunned several times. He wasn't as bad off as he was after the Linares shot, but he was feeling some of the looping left head shots JoJo was landing, and held on several occasions. Davis got clipped a few times early and late, and he didn't react well either. He was clearly stunned in the 11th.
     
  15. Brixton Bomber

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    Wow.
     
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