Hard Sparring overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Derrick_Rose, May 9, 2013.


  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You need hard sparring. You need scrimmages in other sports, you need scrimmages in boxing. Not deathmatches like Anne Wolfe has, but actual sparring where you try to hurt one another without going for a beatdown/KO. You don't need this every day or even every week, but you need it.
     
  2. macalpinerules

    macalpinerules Active Member Full Member

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    I think a combination of hard and relaxed sparring is necessary. Just hearing most fighters talk about the uses of sparring, it seems that if a fighter doesn't subject himself to a bit of the sort of intensity he'll be facing fight night, things could get out of hand quickly.
     
  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    What Rooney had Tyson doing back in the day. Also Victor Valle let Cooney go at it full speed with the sparring back in the day. Basically not pulling punches and going all out like a real fight and for 4 or 5 min rounds instead of 3. Everyone is different. What works for you and me might not work for someone else. There is no right answer to this.
     
  4. kirk

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    I completely agree with this and if I was a trainer Id limit the amount of hard sparring done by my fighters. I think you obviously have to have a certain amount of hard sparring, but it would be very limited and controlled.

    The gym wars that went on in the 80's and 90's is a large part why many of those legends are as punch drunk as they are, imo.

    Hard sparring like that often does more harm then good, and dulls a fighters edge over time and shortens careers.

    Just imo
     
  5. D_Andrade

    D_Andrade Guest

    Martinez doesn't do much sparring!
     
  6. Derrick_Rose

    Derrick_Rose Guest

    Yeah i remember that on 24/7 and Sarmiento made a great point that he doesnt want Sergio spar much because he wants him hungry once the bell rings.
     
  7. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    So a "normal" high intensity training with risk of concussions.
     
  8. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Sparring should only simulate the feel of the fight or how would the style of the opponent be.

    Not to be as hard as the fight itself.
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Totally agree with what Firat says.
     
  10. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Interesting and enlightning read. Firats been around the block he knows what he's talking about, but I just think you need both controlled sparring and full contact, sometimes more of one more than the ither, depending on who your fighting. Also, I've seen both types of sparring mixed in where pros do controlled sparring while their opponents are going all-out full contact sparring. Floyd and Ali liked to do this. As for "Mexican" fighters, at least the brawlers, I have seen them go controlled sparring few times, but brawlers like to get physical and their style benefits more from full contact sparring. IMO you gotta have both. One is for learning or improving a skill while the other you get to apply it.
     
  11. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whittaker is punch drunk today?

    Really.


    Man, that would suck.
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Khan pointed out something interesting about the Wild Card sparring scene. He said most guys were out for blood because they wanted to prove themselves to everyone who was watching. I mean there were champions, contenders, HOF figures, celeberties and reporters there all the time.
    According to Khan, most sparring sessions ended up as wars and benefited no one.
    Some years ago a kid was going really hard at Pacquiao. The moment he started playing it cocky, Pacquiao showed him what he had and beat the crap out of him with utter ease. Instead of trying to learn he got his ass handed to him in just a few moments.
     
  13. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You need to spar to get better if you practice lightly in the gym, you won't get better.
     
  14. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're going to have hard sparring sessions and also hard hitting sparring sessions especially when different clubs get together to get ready for a national tournament. Now h
    the fighter should be still be trying to work his timing, his combinations, footwork, head movement and other boxing techniques as much as possibly.
     
  15. piotro21

    piotro21 Active Member Full Member

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    If I can remember correctly, Martinez said in 24/7 he did something like only 8 sparring sessions prior to JCC Jr fight.
    Or was it 80 rounds of sparring, anyways he didn't do much of it.