Harder hitter: bellew or cloud?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Like bellew, cloud smashed his way through his first few opponents scoring some impressive stoppages.

    He got a reputation as a big puncher in the division, however in his fights against zuniga, johnson and woods; his power was lacking.

    Is he still the biggest puncher in the division, or is bellew, going to take that mantle?

    All the other names: pascal, dawson, hopkins, cleverly, shumenov, braemer, diacanou etc. are more known for their style rather than their power.

    I think these two are two of the biggest punchers at 175 - not saying there aren't harder punchers out there, but these two come to mind straight away - but who hits harder?

    What do you guys reckon, just purely ranking the two in terms of power, who takes it?

    I'm gonna say bellew.
     
  2. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bellew has got natural power and I think probably hits harder than Cloud!
     
  3. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think Bellew has more power punch for punch.

    But obviously cloud is a much better fighter
     
  4. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    remember bellew has bad hands aswell
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Cloud should be considered a better fighter based on career to date, but going off power I do think bellew has the edge. Although gavin disagrees!
     
  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    To be fair you can't criticise Cloud for failing to stop Johnson and Woods..... those two guys could take punches from most HW's and still be stood there at the end.

    Judge Bellew in a years time when hopefully he's calmed down and learned that charging across the ring after decking someone isn't always the right tactic. He can definitely crack though, I just hope Phil Edwards doesn't ref his next fight, because he spoiled the Velecky and McKenzie ones.
     
  7. dftaylor

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    There's no evidence to suggest that Bellew's a murderous puncher. Cloud's a decent hitter but equally hasn't stopped an elite or top-level opponent. I think the jury's out for a few years.

    Truthfully, I can't see Bellew, with such sloppy technique in the pro-game, making it to world level.
     
  8. kosaros

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deEiEeG7XsU[/ame]
     
  9. TFFP

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    This is highly subjective IMO. It's really hard to call, there isn't an obvious answer.

    What I would point out is Cloud stopped Gonzalez who is a tough fellow.

    I also think you have to take into account Cloud is a volume puncher, he throws a lot. We're talking about on a punch by punch basis here.

    Competition comes into it, Cloud's is better.

    I don't know, wouldn't like to call it.

    What I would say is you've forgot Sillakh. He's possibly the biggest puncher in the division.
     
  10. LP_1985

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  11. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Kos, I'm not sure what that proves. He knocked out a guy in the amateurs? He can punch, but on what evidence as a pro can anyone say he's a really damaging puncher?

    Stopping a bunch of domestic level guys is fine. But we need to wait and see.
     
  12. kosaros

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    Well, he knocked JL Dickinson clean out with one shot (not the only amateur fight in which he's done it) whilst wearing bigger gloves and head guards. Dickinson's never shown a dodgy beard in the pro's (apart from when he got it broke by Turba :yep - a big puncher in his own right) either.
     
  13. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're going to jinx the fella like you did Alexeev :twisted:

    Cloud is more proven for now. And he's thought some real tough fighters.
     
  14. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you can punch you can punch.

    Amateur or pro it makes no difference.

    Argueably it is harder to spark people like the above clip in the ams as you have the head gear.

    Bellew hits hard don't doubt it!!!
     
  15. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you have to say Bellew has the natural power lookinng at the video you have to say that is an impressive knockout it was almost a glancing blow on the temple with a headguard on with bigger gloves and he was out for a few minutes