Harder puncher: Antonio Margarito or Brandon Rios?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Florez, Oct 22, 2013.


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  1. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I think it's fair to say none of us will ever truly know real outcome so this will never be put to rest. The shelf life will never expire brother and again it's unfortunate; however, it is what it is and to doubt my passion for the sport due to the lack of substainal evidence proving his innocence can surely be considered irrational on your part.
     
    Caper, Oct 22, 2013
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  2. Flatlander

    Flatlander Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vargas is but Rios has never met Andre Ward, or Roy Jones both boxers said that Rios is the best inside fighter they had ever seen.
     
    Flatlander, Oct 22, 2013
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  3. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Wait a minute they really said that....I mean rjj has had his marbles thrown around the ol noggin on several occasions so I can see where his lack of better judgement steams from but did ward really express that I seem to recall ward stating the fact that rios was a good inside fighter but to say the best he's ever seen is blasphemy. Watch James toney operate on the inside and then tell me if rios is even on the same universe much less the same planet.
     
    Caper, Oct 22, 2013
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  4. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I need to look for those quotes because that is hard to fathom if either of them said that. Rios isn't by any stretch of the imagination a great inside fighter. Good but not great.
     
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  5. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That alone should kill any conjecture that suggests Margarito's wraps prior to the Mosley fight were harmless. The man himself admitted they were a danger.
     
    Antwuan Maxx, Oct 22, 2013
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  6. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Margarito was nothing but a bum. The only thing that Margarito ever looked scary to was Floyd :lol::patsch.
     
    prelude, Oct 22, 2013
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Rios Margo was a disgraced cheat and without his loaded gloves had no power.
     
    Pimp C, Oct 22, 2013
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  8. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Margarito is a bigger man so I will give him the advantage in power. That being said, I don't think either guy is a huge one punch KO artist like Mattyse is. Margarito really hurt Pacquiao with a body shot so I feel he has decent power even without the cement in his gloves. I think Rios is more of a bulldog and lands more...probably gets hit more too, but both guys pretty much block punches with their face. The similarities are that both fighters wear you down, rough you up and are willing to take two punches to give one.
     
    COLD-HARD-TRUTH, Oct 22, 2013
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  9. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No way to know. Brandon Rios hasn't tasted his power at 147 and since Margarito's power magically vanished after the Mosley fight, who knows how hard Antonio hits
     
    PR BOXING, Oct 22, 2013
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  10. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Margarito was proven to have cement in his gloves then why didn't he get banned for life like others have in the past? Also why did he still have Pacquiao in pain for a whole day from a body shot?
     
    alakran, Oct 22, 2013
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  11. kirk

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    All I can say is just wait and see. If he managed to do decent against Pac I will admit I was wrong about him, or if he someday winds up beating a top tier fighter, then for sure I will change my tune. But right now Im sticking to my assessment of him, hes simply not 'that good' (that good being relative to top tier world class fighters)

    I seriously don't rate him as a top tier fighter, maybe not even second tier.


    But no need to discuss it really, his career will show me if Im right or wrong.

    Its nothing against him, I actually like him quite a bit.... Im just calling it as I see it.
     
    kirk, Oct 22, 2013
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  12. kracka81

    kracka81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Margo for sure
     
    kracka81, Oct 22, 2013
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  13. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Margarito was an accumulation puncher with a high work rate. If he truly had "cement" in his gloves, he would have been banned for life. All the "evidence" just vanished...
     
    MrFoFody, Oct 22, 2013
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  14. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the guy had 3 brutal Ko's coming into the mosley fight, and then he doesn't manage to badly hurt any of the last 4 opponents including a cab driver.

    clear as day
     
    PR BOXING, Oct 22, 2013
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  15. kirk

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    Mosley : Almost nobody hurts Mosley. It makes no sense to hold this fight as some sort of proof that he doesn't have power without wraps.

    Garcia : Garcia has never been stopped, so whos to say that this is somehow proof that Marg was less powerful? To take such an unkown quantity, as is Garcias chin and durability, to try and use as proof to Margaritos lack of power, is faulty.

    Pac : He did hurt Pac, and badly. He hurt Pac to the body when he was against the ropes. But talking head shots ya he didn't hurt Pac, but once again Pac is a bad example to use of not hurting someone. Pac is rarely visibly hurt in fights. Pac does say that Margarito was one of the hardest fights hes ever had though.

    Cotto 2 : Cotto got hit a lot less in this fight then he did in their first fight. Once again a bad example to use when comparing Margas power pre and post mosley.

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    Now, contrast that with those 3 KO's he had pre Mosley

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    Johnson : a vulnerable fighter whose been stopped numerous times and was at the end of his career.

    Cintron : another vulnerable, delicate type fighter who doesn't deal with the Margarito type well at all. Was beaten mentally as much as he was physically.

    Cotto 1 : Margarito is Cottos nemeses in every way. And the second fight would have looked like the first had Cotto not employed different tactics the second time around. He was simply worn down in the first fight stamina wise, then started eating waaaay too many shots. Had he ran out of gas and eaten the same shots in the 2nd fight the outcome would have been the same. His face was still marked up in the rematch and Margarito didn't land a fraction of the kind of shots he did in the first.

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    You have to look beyond the numbers here. That he scored 3 kos prior, and didn't score a KO after Mosley doesn't tell the whole story if someones trying to be honest about the issue.

    Imo
     
    kirk, Oct 22, 2013
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