Harder puncher at 160 - Jones or GGG?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JohnThomas1, Oct 7, 2020.

Who hit harder at 160?

  1. RJJ

  2. It's a wash/i have no stones.

  3. GGG

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  1. christpuncher

    christpuncher Active Member banned Full Member

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    GGG harder puncher, you could say Jones is a better puncher, faster puncher, takes you unawares, whatever. GGG is a harder puncher.
     
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  2. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  3. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course not lol
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would say that the win over Malinga was a very good win.

    I would say that the one over Hill was a great win.

    Competent CW's couldn't do what Roy did, and we know that Dariusz and Hearns could hit at LHW.

    Groves could hit.

    I was impressed by Murray's fight with Groves.

    I also thought that Murray was desperately unlucky not to beat Martinez. Although Martinez was hampered by his knees, so he wasn't anywhere near 100%.
     
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  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You seem to be disassociating punching power from punching speed and quality, without taking the impact of the punch into consideration.

    Jones Jr delivered more spectacular one-punch impacts than Golovkin, against a higher level of competition, and he delivered those impacts with hard punches. Sure, the speed and quality of Jones Jr's punching are facilitators for his punch power, but to separate these characteristics from the end result being a visibly verifiable hard punch is just nonsensical.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Yes, the knockouts were completely different.

    I'd also rate the Malinga one higher than Murray.

    I guess I was looking at the actual win as a whole, and not specifically the stoppage.

    I've always had a soft spot for Murray. I would have loved to have seen him pick up a belt.

    I wanted to see him fight BJS too.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    On GGG's knockout out, guys just don't take a knee, they are thrown down often unable to protect themselves from a fall

    A sample: Look for the ones at the end, those are some scary Ko's

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    And watch this one has his opponents speak

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  8. dinovelvet

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    Eddie Ezzard destroyed you on page 2.

    Your ducking of his post is embarrassing for you.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Wrong. Stopping a man faster then the fields shows 1 ) You can punch hard, and 2 ) you have the skills to do it quickly. It is the mark of puncher.

    What do the examples you gave have to do with this thread? Jackson was a bit chiinny. He was Ko'd 6 times, and never lost via decision.

    Tyson was still on his way up vs Tills, he was the first man to take him the distance, but any bozo, even Dino knows that Tyson hit harder than Holyfield. Your comparison make zero sense. Sorry. Its just a very bad one.

    There is a clear coloration to KO% to power. It matters, and if you were to give me a list of yoru ten hardest punchers at heavy or middle, I bet they ALL have a high KO percentage, with the exception of guys who fought a ton outside of their prime. Humor me and list your top ten heavyweight and middle weight puncher, and week see high KO% Deal?

    Lamar Clark never KO'd a ranked guy. The record of his oppoents is too embarrassing to list, but I will say power is tied to class. GGG has been in over 20 title matches, he's knocking out a much higher class.

    If your trying to say Jones carried his power up to light heavy, I agree. He was big time ROIDS user, testing 5 x the legal limit at light heavyweight. That's why. How do you factor that in?

    GGG like Hagler and Monzon opted to stay at middle, it doesn't mean they could not stop guys at 160 or 175. Besides these days middle enter the ring above the light heavyweight limit, so GGG is stopping light heavyweight, I bet you didn't think of that.

    I took a look at Jones record at 175. Jones stopped 11 out of 23 total opponents.( On ROIDS ) This is nothing special, are you aware of that? I could easily play your game of picking opponents who stoped so and so faster than Roy did. Actually that's not what you were saying, you used different names all together, but my point here is clearly made.

    If you want to go on KO%'s or KO's where the ref didn't even need to count, GGG > Jones.

    If you want to use 3rd party lists on the top middle punchers that include GGG being active, he's well above Jones too.

    If you want to factor in how much the ROIDS helped Jones, downgrade his natural power.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    No. It lends itself to aggressive fighters. And boxing isn't as black and white as "oh he stopped him in four, so he must hit harder than the guy who stopped him in three". You should know this.
    All of you've done is agree with him lmao
    Not necessarily. There's a bigger correlation between poor competition and KO percentages. Obviously power affects it, but KO% rate is an extremely poor way of determining who hits harder than who, as it's just another start with no context.
    So like Roy Jones. :lol:
    GGG's opposition has been anything but class.
    So GGG is KOing LHWs, while being a LHW himself.... And weigh ins have changed at all since Roy Jones' era.
     
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  11. dinovelvet

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    He couldn't stop chinny Danny Jacobs and has a stoppage rate of 0% against top levellers.. You ran away rather than address these points.

    Chris Eubank Jr is better than Martin Murray
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Thanks Dino, I just saw this post, I get 20+ alerts a day here on different threads. Sorry to disappoint you, I don't thin Eddie points stand. Nothing against him. If you want to debate my facts or points, I will make easy work of you as usual.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    George Crowcroft, No. It lends itself to aggressive fighters. And boxing isn't as black and white as "oh he stopped him in four, so he must hit harder than the guy who stopped him in three". You should know this.

    Mendoza: So your saying if one guy stopped his opponent faster than the field of 30-40 others it means nothing. Thats BS. GGG has several cases. His examples made no sense, Using Jackson as durbalel man? , and Holyfield > Tyson as a puncher?


    Not necessarily. There's a bigger correlation between poor competition and KO percentages. Obviously power affects it, but KO% rate is an extremely poor way of determining who hits harder than who, as it's just another start with no context.

    I can agree this matters. Why he bought up Lamar Clark to make his point was puzzling. The point on competition GGG had 20 + Title defenses! His KO % here is very high another point he was a great puncher..

    So like Roy Jones. :lol:

    Yes, that guy. Jones has a lower KO% at 160, and moving up. He abused PED's so badly his testes are probably the size of jelly beans as a pro. 5x the legal limit, and that was the time he was caught.

    GGG's opposition has been anything but class.

    Okay, let's take out Toney and Hopkins, and compare Jones completion to GGG and see who has a higher KO%. Are we on kid? A duck means you know better. You have a lot to learn.

    So GGG is KOing LHWs, while being a LHW himself.... And weigh ins have changed at all since Roy Jones' era.

    Yes, they have. Maybe you weren't alive to see it but we see middles in the 170's on fight night in modern times. It was not that bad in the 1990's.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    Likewise.


    Understood and I think it would have to count as one of Golovkin's better wins, even if it wasn't a spectacular.


    I had hopes for him in and around the 2011-2013 period and I recall there being a sense that he was in with a great chance of taking a title during that period.


    Saunders was a bit behind Murray in terms of career development, so the timing between them was a little bit off, to begin with. I also think Saunders has moved more slowly towards establishing himself, as a genuine player in the division, than was the case for Murray.

    That said, had Murray faced BJS in 2014/15, I reckon I'd have backed Saunders to take it.
     
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