Harder puncher: Wilder or Zhang?

Zhang, because he hits good with his left and right hand…Wilder with only one…

 

Wilder is the most explosive puncher of all time.

Zhang has more mass behind it and has great speed himself but Wilder has weird power. touch of death.

 

I think maybe Wilder throws harder shots (Mainly because he practically throws right hands from the other side of the arena with everything he’s got) BUT… I think Zhang is the more DANGEROUS puncher. If that makes sense.

Zhang throws short, fast, and technically sounds shots with great timing and nasty impact. ‘Sneaky’ power

 

Wilder for 1 punch power

 

Simply based on the quality of chins they have cracked it has to be Zhang.

What notable durable guys has Wilder KO'ed?

Ortiz stopped both times by Wilder but he was dropped 3 times by Ruiz and also by Martin.

Breazeale already stopped by Joshua and was dropped by Mansour and Ugonoh so not that durable.

Arreola is pretty durable but he wasn't KO'ed he quit at the end of the 8th round, so Wilder's power failed to finish him.

Zhang KO'ed Joyce with one punch, with his weaker arm and Joyce while not possessing a chin as good as his previous wins suggested I'd argue is more durable than anyone Wilder has KO'ed.

Yes Wilder has had some spectacular KO's too, but against guys known to be chinny like Szpilka or who had been down many times like Breazeale. He couldn't even keep Fury down despite landing his best shots several times. Maybe Wilder does hit harder but right now I don't think he's proved it.

 

Zhang KOing Joyce with one shot like that trumps anything Wilder's ever done in his career. It'd be akin to Wilder one shotting Ruiz or someone of that calibre.

As for Zhang failing to KO Hrgovic, we don't know how good Hrgovic's chin is, and Wilder failed to stop both Stiverne (1st fight) and Duhaupas, so is hardly spotless in this regard.

 

I'd say out of the above guys Breazeale has the most proven chin, but like you said he'd already been TKOed by Joshua and downed by Ugonoh and Mansour. Arreola might be next, but Stiverne stopped him much more emphatically.

The most durable fighter Wilder has beaten is probably still Duhaupas, whom Wilder failed to get off his feet. He has no one on the level of a Joe Joyce on his resume.

 

That's exactly what would happen tho

 

This is not fair to Ortiz. Ortiz is better than Joyce - I would bet on even old walking corpse Ortiz against Joyce.

 

Ortiz is not better than Joyce, and he is a PEDs cheat.

 

Joyce has just put on 20lbs muscle in five months if anything proves foul play that’s it…Joyce is slower, technically less agile than Ortiz, less ring IQ and definitely not a better resume. I like Joyce as a person and boxer, seems to be a decent a good character, but Ortiz is simply the more skilled boxer. I agree Wilders resume is trash overall but Ortiz was a credible opponent many picked to win (and he was close to do so).

 

Hasn't happened tho, has it?

 

Based on what, beating Jennings and Martin? Joyce beat Jennings too and Parker who I'd rate over Martin, based on both their performances vs Joshua, Parker is a level above Martin.

Stylistically Ortiz might seem difficult for Joyce, being a southpaw and a hard hitting counter puncher. Maybe Ortiz could do what Zhang did, but I'm not so sure. Ortiz unlike Zhang drops his lead hand, so his lead hand doesn't block the orthodox opponents lead hand. That was a key to Zhang beating Joyce both times. Joyce's jab is a big part of his game but Zhang took it away and forced Joyce to reach in to land, leaving him open to his counters. Ortiz doesn't do that and combine that with being a lot smaller, he won't have Joyce reaching in like against Zhang. Joyce would be able to have success on the outside against Ortiz unlike Zhang.

It's a shame we never saw Joyce/Ortiz it was talked about early in Joyce's career. But Joyce's trainer was right back then, Joyce wasn't ready for Ortiz back then. Maybe old Ortiz can beat Joyce but right now Joyce is the fighter with the better resume.

 

For this reason I'd buy the PPV.

Everybody hates Wilder and rightly so because he's some weird combination of self proclaimed victim and oppressor and he makes a public issue of it. Maybe he earns more money that way. Who knows?

That said, everybody (nearly) agrees that he has a one-hitter-quitter that ranks high in an histroric sense.

Big Bang has become the flavor of the week and rightly so considering that he produced one of the most emphatic, upper tier heavyweight KOs in a long time. Another one-hitter-quitter of note against a foe with a granite chin.

Considering what's offered at 85USD per view on the regular? Count me in.

 

Because they haven't fought. Better single feat ≠ Harder puncher. To be frank what devastating shots has Joyce taken besides from Zhang anyway ? Don't say Dubois he didn't do anything

Hopefully a common opponent will clarify who hits harder than who