Harder puncher: Wilder or Zhang?

For 1 single back hand it wilder.

 

better question. who would ko the other if they fought. i say put them in the ring and let's find out. My money would be on Zhang.

 

there is a reason Lennox Lewis binned a title rather then face a southpaw. ( BTW Lennox never fought a southpaw his whole career.)

 

you do realize that Joyce is a Silver medalist unlike Ortiz who never managed to medal at the Olympics and never managed to beat a top heavy in his career. he is just a never was who was built up by the PBC marketing machine to try to make Wilders **** poor resume look better. the fact that Wilder almost lost to him says more about Wilder and why the " Baby champion " to quote his manager never managed to unify against another champion despite holding a title for half a decade.

 

based off of what exactly? Stivern never beat anyone worth a damn.

 

Muhahhaha it's irrelevant based on who? On you, cause you are beyond biased person ? The fight was never on, to fell at first. Last time i check neither Wilder, neither Malik are promoters and only trolls can believe their fake offers over Twitter, that anyone with more than 2 brain cells can see are as fake as them.

On top of that Ruiz and his father already exposed Wilder fake offers. But you just choose to side with what fits your narrative.
And then you talk about glasses, and to analyze the situation, muhahhahah look at the mirror buddy.

Last time i check you don't make fights on Twitter. Wilder is using same Fury tactics, with the same success. Only delusional blinded fangirls will believe any of that.
If he was serious for a fight, he would have already fought.
His resume speaks volume.
His PPV speaks volume as well, his big, big return fight sell less than 75k.
Go talk to PPV to someone else.
If he was actually a draw, he would have fought someone, but he can't sell a s**** without the belt, that's the reason he hasn't fought since Helenius. Aka my point stand, Wilder needs a big fight, otherwise he can't any money.
He was getting paid peanuts before the fights with Fury. And he is getting paid peanuts again.

Oh and once again you are showing us your Boxing knowledge with the Ortiz comparison. If you were to know Boxing, you would already know that how you did against X or Y fighter doesn't mean a s****.
And last time i check Ruiz didn't need a help from the official to stop the match and give him extra time to recover after the beaten he took in the previous round .....

 

Yeah and Tony Yoka is a gold medalist, so what ? The sport is called professional boxing.

 

Wilder beats up on tomato cans. His KO record is impressive but its also somewhat fraudulent.

Zhang has plenty of power but has been overhyped for whacking a guy who literally stood in front of him and let him do it.

Both have decent power but I'll shade it for Wilder. Just.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksp...ntay-wilder-heavyweights-videos-messages/amp/

Fight fell thru because Ruiz turned down 70/30 by his father's own words. 70/30 is completely fair because as much as you wanna cry, cope and complain, money talks and Wilder is a far bigger star, as much as I'd perfer fights to be based on merit rather than money.

It was Ruiz's fault, not Wilders, like I said. You've been debunked

 

Muhahhaha you are exposing yourself, let's see:

"I know what the deal is and the real is, and you know what the deal and the real is as well.

"The only people mad is you guys. I didn't call you, you called us. I didn't harass you about fighting, you guys harassed us about fighting.

"We wasn't in no desperate need of fighting, you guys were in desperate need of fighting.

This is from Wilder. Do i need to say more?
Again 70-30 when you are no PPV star isn't going to work, especially against a guy like Ruiz. What that clear is that Wilder never wanted the fight and outpriced himself.
70-30 is a mandatory split. You can try to spin it as much as you like, Wilder maybe a name in the division, but he ain't a seller, simply as that.

To sell a fight, like Fury's one, he needs a partner.
And what Ruiz team are saying is perfectly normal in a contract conversation. You are offering 70-30, we wants 50-50. This is how you are negotiate a better deal. It would have very well that they agreed to 60-40 or close to it.

But only a blindfool fanboy will say that a 70-30 is fair split, when Beyonce couldn't even sell 80K. PPV in his "Big return" fight.

And if Wilder is a big star as you describe him, where is the PPV numbers ? You have debunked nothing, just showing your ignorance and bias.

As to where Ruiz exposes Wilder, it's simple. Wilder claimed Ruiz wanted 20-25m. Which is the same sum Fury team lied, and they were exposed as well. Wilder and Fury are very alike, like their fans, who are literally 1 man fans, but they defend the other religiously, cause it's what both of this guy have. Fury only have Wilder win, and Wilder fans are claiming Fury is somehow a god, and he only can lose to him.

Ruiz said that Wilder offer was around 1m., and he wanted a fair payday, which is absolutely fair, as Ruiz is former Unified Champion, something Wilder never was.

And while you are bringing 2019 ? Ruiz W against AJ is in 2019 as well. And still Ruiz has 1 defeat in that period, Wilder has 2.
Ruiz was never KOed, Wilder was KOed brutally TWICE !!!
Ruiz also has the better win in his resume, simple as that.
Nice try, ain't working.

 

Ruiz turned down a fair offer confirmed by his father

Enough said

 

“What happened is that Wilder is a liar," Ruiz Sr. told Izquierdazo. “He (Wilder) and his trainer (Malik Scott) want Andy to accept a ridiculous amount of money. But Andy is not a random name. Andy is a former world champion, the first Mexican heavyweight world champion in history. A former champion, he made history."

Last Sunday, in an Instagram post, Wilder applied pressure on Ruiz by asking him to be a man, make his own decisions, and not allow his father to derail their negotiations.

Wilder states that "a lot of money" has been offered to Ruiz, but his father is allegedly making further demands.

However, Ruiz Sr. claims that the offer was only 30% split for his son. They want a 50-50 split with the former WBC world champion.

“Wilder wants to offer Andy around 30%," Ruiz Sr. explained. “We want 50-50, because Wilder is no longer a champion, he is coming off a very bad fight, where he fought against a sparring partner (Robert Helenius). I think that sparring partner took a dive. And Andy is coming off a good fight that lasted 12 rounds (with Luis Ortiz).

“It's not good money, and I will tell you why. They are offering almost the same amount of money that (Andy) received when he beat Ortiz. How is it possible to receive the same amount of money with Wilder as we did with King Kong. Andy and Wilder are going to fill up a stadium, they are going to sell a crazy amount of PPV, because everybody wants to see that fight. They are not offering a fair split. The only thing we are asking is a 50-50 split, we are not asking for anything else. 50-50 and we are ready to fight Wilder, and give him a good beating. Wilder will suffer the same beating as (Anthony) Joshua.

“Andy has enough money because of the investments that he has done. He has millions of dollars, and that’s why Wilder is angry, because he had to negotiate with me. He wanted me to persuade my son to fight for a certain amount of money, and he is dumb, he is stupid, if he thinks that I would try to persuade my son to accept a fight for that kind of money when Andy doesn’t want to fight for that amount. He (Wilder) is out of his mind.

“We don’t have a deadline. Wilder doesn’t have any other options at this moment. Where is he going to fight? His option is to fight again with King Kong (again). But Ortiz is low profile now, nobody knows about him, he is not in the news anymore. There is Chris Arreola, but Arreola is going to fight Frank Sanchez. Joshua? He is not fighting Joshua at this moment. Fury? He is going to fight with Usyk in December, and most probably they will have a rematch clause, and they will fight again at the end of 2024. Wilder will be 40 years old. That's why Andy is his only option, and with both of them receiving good money."

Nice try troll. Now he did not.
You can argue as much, 70-30 is a close to mandatory split.
But i get it, his fans like you(aka Fury fans) are use to Wilder fighting bums, track drivers, and you think 70-30 is a fair offer, cause that's Wilder usual opponents, tomato cans and Truck Drivers.

If he wants to fight a decently skilled opponent it doesn't work that way, when he is nobody at the moment.
There is a reason he still hasn't fought.

 

Why the novel ?
Answer the question. Who turned down the 70/30 offer ? Ruiz or Wilder.

Oh and the fight was for mandatory position so if Ruiz was a real fighting man he would've taken it. The fact that he took less money vs Ortiz should expose the narrative and its not even counting ppv on top of it. Also Ruiz never mentioned the exact amount. Could be lying

 

He also beat him on points

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that Wilder is a “far bigger star”
Wilders last fight v Helenius did 75k ppv buys.

Ruiz v Ortiz did 65k which is 86% in comparison.

86% of 50 is 43 so The absolute worst deal Ruiz should get is 40% and even then he is losing out based on those figures.


Congratulations you have just provided direct evidence of Wilder ducking yet another challenge. It takes some brains to confidently provide text which directly contradicts the point you are trying to make but you have managed it easily. Only a deluded idiot like yourself and Wilder would believe a 70/30 split is fair given that neither fighter is a big draw on their own.