Harder puncher: Wilder or Zhang?

So which is it? Apparently earlier Ruiz admitted he wanted 20m but now it’s simply that he “didn’t deny it”
You sound like a kid in the school playground shouting about how someone didn’t deny something so it must be true.

Your thought process is that ******ed You make exarmyjim look like a member of MENSA.

Oh and I’m still waiting on the Wilder v Ortiz ppv figures from you that will prove Wilder is a “much bigger star”

 

I meant Fury. Both Fury and Wilder claimed Ruiz wanted 20+ million. Ruiz himself said he wanted 10 million for Wilder, but when responding to Furys criticisms of being called greedy and wanting 20 million, well yeah, he never denied it. Not once

Bare minimum he wanted 10 mil and 50/50 for Wilder and turned down the offer. Fact. And by Furys statements he wanted 20+. Against Fury the talks broke down in the exact same way, with Ruiz wanting more money by his own words, even if it wasn't 20 mil.

https://boxing-social.com/news/andy-ruiz-responds-to-tyson-fury/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...loses-fight-talks-deontay-wilder-fell-through

You even got Ruiz's coach saying fight fell thru due to money. Claims require Evidence. Why believe Ruiz when you have no evidence in his favor ?

No matter how much you wanna cry, Wilder never ducked Ruiz. "Unfair offer" is subjective. Fact is he sent an offer for 1m. Ruiz took that money against Ortiz just fine. Even if he expects to be paid more he turned down a shot at mandatory position, which is not warrior-like

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...-luis-ortiz-2-does-roughly-225000-buys-on-ppv

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.**...match-ppv-buys-land-just-north-275000--144831

All you had to do was use Google man. You have got to be lazy as crap

 

Do you honestly think Ruiz has a chance against Wilder even after he struggled with fossil Ortiz and shot Arreola ?

You're talking as if he does

 

It's tempting to say Wilder with how his shots sound and look, but I reckon Zhang's stoppage of Joyce triumphs everything Leshen has ever done. He would have to get in the ring with, for example, Ruiz (Joyce is off-table) and brutally stop him to make a case for himself.

We have seen Zhang's limit in inability to stop Hrgovic and Rudenko (the knockdown wasn't legit; he had plenty shots that landed clean and flush), but it's clear he can hurt and make three granite chins in the division rethink if they did the right thing signing the contract. If he gets to land the clear counterhook on the jaw like he did on Joyce, he sends 99.9% of the division to the hospital, but I reckon that's true for Wilder and other dynamite punchers as well.

 

Wilder would def brutally KO Ruiz

But he doesn't beat Zhang

 

No.
You wanted to compare like for like against a common opponent so give me the ppv figures for Wilder v Ortiz 1 which is a direct comparison to Ruiz v Ortiz as they have only fought once and not the figures for the rematch.

 

“Claims require Evidence. Why believe Ruiz when you have no evidence in his favor ?”

And your “evidence” is listening to Fury who is exposed pretty much on a daily basis for constantly lying. I wouldn’t believe fury if he told me he was bald

 

Save yourself your time, he is just a waste of time. He is constantly changing narrative and twisting every single word. He is ignoring everything that proves him wrong, and just catch for a few words and try to twist it, without looking at the whole sentance.
Absolutely waste of time.
I expose him so badly he decide to create a thread about how Ruiz looked bad against Ortiz, to trash him, a year after the fight is done.
I value my time so i just ignore him.

He can't comprehend basic things and just repeat the same thing over and over, like a kid in the kindergarten.

His hero claims that Ruiz somehow wanted 20-25m. which Ruiz and his dad already debunked it's a lie, and even Ruiz counter that he will gladly accept the fight for 10m., if Wilder claims Ruiz wanted 20-25m., then they would simply offer the 10m. Ruiz asked and "expose" him for not wanting the fight?
But nqh Wilder never wanted the fight, that's why they low balled him with the same money Ruiz took for Ortiz, which is laughable.
Again if Wilder wanted the fight, there would have been counter offers and meet in the middle, which was what Ruiz wanted, and was 100% fair and square.

 

Right hand? Wilder. Left hand? Zhang.

Both hands? Wladimir Klitschko.

 

Zhang is a big strong man who throws hard, 'thudding,' accurate punches. And he has a lot of amateur experience to draw on. I thoroughly enjoy watching him fight.

But even though he has a much smaller frame and is nearly 70 pounds lighter, Wilder hits harder and is a better KO artist.

Eric George, who is barely 200 pounds, went the distance with Zhang.
Glenn Thomas, who fought half his career at cruiser, went the distance with Zhang.
Juan Goode went the distance with Zhang.
Rodney Hernandez went the distance with Zhang.
Andrii Rudenko, who Jared Anderson just stopped, went the distance with Zhang.
Jerry Forrest, who Jared Anderson recently stopped, went the distance with Zhang.
Filip Hrgovic went the distance with Zhang.

On the flip side, Tyson Fury (the best heavyweight in the world who no one has stopped) is the only guy Wilder hasn't stopped. And Wilder floored him four times, even though Fury outweighed him by 40 pounds in all their fights.

Zhang couldn't stop complete nobodies who he outweighed by 50-60 pounds.

Champions who weigh 60 pounds less than Wilder aren't taking Deontay's punch or going the distance, let alone a scrub who weighs 60 pounds less.

I'm a fan of Zhang's. He is a fun fighter and definitely hits hard.

Just not as hard as Wilder.

 

Wilder vs Ortiz 1 was not a PPV there are no PPV numbers you idiot. Only the rematch was PPV and it eclipsed Ruiz Ortiz by almost 4 times over. The only numbers that come up is the viewer count during streaming which was in the millions

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksp...at-happened-first-fight-bronze-bomber-ko/amp/

Listenint to all sides actually. Unlike you I am not a biased bystander who will only live to server their favorite boxer. Objectivity is how I roll

Considering Ruiz never denied any of their claims and brought his own absurd figures of 50/50 and 10 million dollars publicly, and was the one who turned down the eliminator, then the evidence in Favor of Wilders camp outweighs evidence in favor of ruiz. Thats as simple as it is. Had Wilder been the one who turned down the fight and priced himself out, you might have something to work with.

If Ruiz took 1 million against Ortiz why not take 1 million against Wilder for a crack at mandatory ? Please do explain

 

“Wilder vs Ortiz 1 was not a PPV there are no PPV numbers you idiot. Only the rematch was PPV and it eclipsed Ruiz Ortiz by almost 4 times over. The only numbers that come up is the viewer count during streaming which was in the millions”

Well what a shock, I really am surprised by that. It seems The supposedly “far bigger draw” Wilder fighting the same opponent as Ruiz was not even worthy of being ppv. Makes me wonder exactly how he is so much of a “far bigger draw” when people won’t pay to watch him fight.

This was also when he was the WBC champion as well.

Yet again you have been caught out in your own thread. It takes an idiot to do this once but to do it twice in the space of a few pages takes someone very special. Maybe run your posts past your carer or guardian from now on.

 

It wasn't PPV so he isn't a bigger star ?

What the f kind of logic is that. Multiple fighters that are lesser than Wilder appear on ppv. Ortiz vs Ruiz didn't even deserve PPV. The crap only made 65k views. You have yet to respond to Wilder vs Oritz 2 ppv numbers because you're a cherrypicker.

Fact: 1. fight 1 had more viewers than Ruiz vs Ortiz

Fact: 2. Ruiz turned down 1m dollars and a shot at mandatory

Fact: 3 Ruiz's figures against Ortiz didn't even surpass Wilder vs journeyman Helanius.

Fact: 4 by this logic shot Chris Arreola is a bigger star than Luiz Ortiz

 

Honestly, probably Wilder. Zhang has way better timing though, that was a beautiful punch that he KOed JJ with.