Hardest Heavyweight Punchers according to Moseley Boxing Channel

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  1. CharlieFirpo85

    CharlieFirpo85 New Member Full Member

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    good point
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One has already been stated Mark.
     
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  3. Surrix

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    KO % is weird criteria, depends from opponent. With short notice out of shape journeymans, debut guys is easy to rack up high KO percentage.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And therein lies the bottom line.

    KO% is more directly correlated with the quality of a fighters opposition, than how hard they hit!
     
  5. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you're having names like Morrison and Briggs, you can probably even add someone like Robin Williams in there.
     
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  6. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When did Tyson get his hair relaxed?
     
  7. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Guido Full Member

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    1st round knockouts is a direct correlation to how hard they hit wouldn't you say?
     
  8. Johnny_B

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    Just is just about pure power punching, not about ability to land those punches effectively.
     
  9. janitor

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    First round knockouts, is probably a better indicator of power than KO%.

    Even against mediocre opposition, it is quite hard to do.
     
  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So are you saying if I knock out 50 guys in bar fights or in my backyard, it doesn't make me an ATG puncher???
     
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  11. VVMM

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    By F. Botha's opinion Tyson was harder puncher than Klitschko.
    What are Klitschkos' best kos ? Shot Byrd untested Pulev,Leapai or the shot old Mormeck ?
    You are an incredible biased Klitschko fan.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was explaining this to my brother. As the quality of opposition increases, you're going to run into fighters that have better defense, better chins, know how to smother punches, know how to effectively tie a man up, are more mobile etc. That's why not even Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Marciano or Lewis stopped every man they fought. If all the guys they fought walked forward to them in a straight line with their chins in the air, all of them could have a 100 percent KO ratio.

    "Lesser" (meaning non ATG fighters who could hit hard) big punchers like Ruddock, Bruno, Cleveland Williams, Ray Mercer, Bert Cooper, George Chuvalo etc also could have a 100 percent KO ratio if all their opponents came forward in a straight line with chins high up in the air.
     
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  13. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOOOOOL

    Have you seen Eddie Chambers' KO? Or Ray Austin KO? And Pulev KO was GREAT

    And yes, Botha said that Tyson hit harder than both Wlad and Lewis, but if so it's not a shme since Tyson is one of the hardest punchers in boxing history
     
  14. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is true! I think Mercer & certainly Chivalo did not hit as hard as the others you names, & we can name others...Baer, Galento, Wlad, Tua, Foreman, Bonecrusher, & others...Who hit harder for one shot than even say Tyson, maybe Lewis...
    Who in turn hit harder than Frazier, Dempey, Marciano, Louis...

    But those "last" guys hit extremely hard by any rational standards.
    And they were often more effective than those who hit harder, due to speed, accuracy, combinations etc.

    Can we please stop equating effectiveness with absolute power?!?!
    Can we consider how looking just at KOs shows both effectiveness & quality of opposition, & while someone like Wilder hits extremely hard, you cannot just look at even early KOs to have a good idea how hard they hit?
    Otherwise Briggs who hit very hard but not the hardest would be near #1.

    Shavers DID hit either the hardest for single shots, or if not, very likely the hardest for anyone short of a few select SHWs.
    There is no way to deny his record when he was limited in skills, endurance, finishing ability & chin.
    And many sai he hit the hardest of anyone. Those he best & lost to, you cannot account for it by self-promotion.
    Tillis Lyle Cobb Ali Holmes Caldwell Young Norton I believe & God knows who else slips my mind now. Find anyone who said anyone else they fought hit harder.
    We have other threads with a few who have freakish power, does not mean Lamont Brewster is the best, just may hit near the hardest.

    I think we should all know by now that while Tyson, Louis Rocky etc hit very hard...
    It is clear that for single shots others hit harder!
    Louis fought at least 2 you may be able to name.
    Even though he was much better, remember a few very fast 7 accurate shots will be more *effective* that a say 10-20% harder single shot that you may even see coming!

    Most of us should be able to name several guys Tyson fought that hit harder than him!
    He beat them, two of them twice! The other hugged him to death.


    Being about the hardest puncher can take you far.
    But it *does not* mean you are the best fighter.
     
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  15. VVMM

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    I think the Chambers ko was fake. Austin ? Who are Austin and Pulev? .Otherwise you are better than lots of total biased
    fan.