Hardest Hitting Heavyweights detailed footage breakdown.

Great Stuff....That was Frazier singing with the Knock outs...bad career move after Ali 1 but Frazier got that sudden fame and down hill from there.......Dempsey (not modern) but Hard core and rock strong.......Louis was a masterpiece at combo/punching and what a finisher....BEST EVER.....Baer what a shame...a little more dedication and learning he had the natural strngth and power.....Marciano...punching that 300 lb bag...What leverage...Best 6 inch shot after Louis.....Cant question Marciano's chin or heart....Sonny had a great offence, great reach but was it speed or the battle of a stronger mind and will that beat him...Did he share that bully make up with Tyson and fold when REALLY stood up to?......Frazier was a beast...too bad he had a short prime but he packed a lot of wars into his 32-4-1 record....great stuff

 

I don't think not being a "modern fighter" is a fair criticism. It's true, I just don't see it as a criticism. He wasn't a modern fighter because he fought in a different era, I think his technique and style were about perfectly suited to his era. Would he have been better fighting in his era with a "modern" style, outside of not thinking to go to a neutral corner in the Tunney fight. Still, not going to a neutral corner served him well against Willard and probably a fair few others.

I think only Shavers' right hand can compete with Baer's

I agree with you about Louis' footwork, it was part of what made him the fighter he was.

Rocky Marciano could be a sloppy and inaccurate puncher, he certainly could have improved his technique.

Liston's right might have had less power all things considered, but it was delivered better. I also think his speed is underrated, he could appear slow at times, but against Patterson he displays a good amount of quickness.

Joe Frazier is probably one of the top 3 or so body punchers in the history of the heavyweight division, maybe number one.

 

I didn't put enough effort into the first part and ran out of time with the second.

Dempsey not being a modern fighter basically means that he was not used to the modern rules of the sport (for example going into the neutral corner after a knockdown).

I could've probably come up with better strengths and weaknesses for him and also Baer.

To be honest I could come up with very little criticism for Louis. I don't really think he had a shaky chin and his footwork was fine but he did have problems with movers.

Marciano was less polished than Walcott, Charles and Moore due to his late start, not that he needed to be technical in order to beat them.

Joe Frazier was probably not one of the hardest hitters except with his left hook but I felt he deserved a place in this video. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get into his weaknesses more because youtube only accepts 10-11 minute videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzK_C7UKrss
3:00 is what I meant with his one dimensional attack.

The next part will be about Foreman, Shavers and Liston. Does anyone have any suggestions? Have I overlooked someone who should've been included? I'd be pleased to hear any opinions on my videos.

 

Holy ****! Are you the video guy?! YOU MADE THOSE VIDEOS!?!! :yikes

 

The Great A--you did an excellent job. Fitzsimmons and Jeffries were big punchers but there really is not enough good film to include them. The same with Langford. The men you selected were the proper men for the era you covered.

 

Dempsey had excellent movement ,so I dont really think of him as being and old style fighter,in fact he looks most modern in his comeback fights against Sharkey and Tunney 2 ,when he was past his best,compare them to his" let it all hang out" approach to the Willard slaughter.

Baer? Well, what can you say? He puched like a kicking horse but his technique was woeful,terrific physique and an iron chin"no one ever took my punches like old Maxie"Joe Louis.

Louis ,looks just about complete to me ,compact precise ,economical and allways balanced to respond with a punch,his footwork was not of the Walcott,Tunney variety ,but it took him into range very efficiently,if it was ever exposed it would be by a swarmer ,as Joe didnt back track well.
I pick Dempsey to take Louis out quick ,but Louis is far and away the more rounded fighter,and possibly the greatest Heavyweight puncher,though not the hardest imo.
Marciano generated fantastic power from those stocky legs and meaty arms.Walcott said he had better one shot power than Louis,but technically he lacked a bit,his dedication ,meant he could still be throwing bombs in the last round,the man trained like a monk.
Liston's right was heavy but clumsily thrown and not as hard as Baer's imo.Sonny's weakness was not that his hands were particularly slow,but that his feet were ,and his 1.2.3 step - jab was predictable and could be nullified by a fleet boxer_Machen _ALi.

Frazier does not belong here he was a big Armstrong ,an accumulation puncher,imo.

Baer possibly had the hardest wallop of any heavy ,with maybe Shavers next. Most complete puncher? Louis.

PS Loved the soundtrack! What a change from rap?

 

i enjoyed that ! but its still a puzzle why sonny liston is labelled slow.he looks ponderous next to ali , but who would'nt.sonny's best years were spent trying to get a title shot in the late 50's.
RE joe frazier,yes that is him singing with his band "the knockouts" .big on the northern soul circuit in the 70's.

 

If your going to knock Marciano for hight and reach, the same applies to Frazier and Tyson.

 

I try to use music that fits the fighter and the era he fought in. For Louis I'd use music from the 1930's and 1940's while for Tyson I'd use music from the 1980's and 1990's. So you should expect rap music (without vocals though :good) for the part about Tyson.

Something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0vongx3oDc

And yes, I meant Tyson instead of Liston.

I've considered making one of Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko brothers (depends on whether I have the time and the motivation), I've also thought about making a video about all big punchers (the likes of Tua, Satterfield, Ruddock, Johansson) that were not included here because they either weren't significant enough or there wasn't enough footage of their fights.

I prefer making videos of past greats from the 1950's and before and less known fighters that aren't as appreciated as they should be. It's just more fun.

You're right but I'm "working" with limited time, I can't include everything I'd want to.

Marciano's 67" reach was also significantly shorter than Tyson's which was 71" or Frazier's which was 73". You can see the problems he has getting close to Walcott, although he did eventually get to Jersey Joe because of his strengths which were his remarkable conditioning, toughness and punching power.

 

It is interesting to watch all these punchers in sucession and compare them.

Looking at those videos you would conclude that Rocky Marciano compared favourably to all the other fighters shown in terms of pure one punch power despite leaving you with change out of 190 lbs.

Joe Frazier probably has slightly less pure powe than the other fighters shown but leaves his oponents with significantly less breathing space than the others.

Joe Louis apears to be the best all round puncher and finisher with Jack Dempsey taking the honours for second place.

The authour makes the observation that Jack Dempsey is an instinctive fighter and the same is true for Sonny Liston. This instinctive fighting and ability to anticipate an oponents next move makes up for his slower hand speed relative to the other fighters shown.

Max Baer is the least methodical of all the fighters shown but he might just have the hardest punch in terms of pure power and the best chin of the lot. He could have done a lot more with his physical tools if he had chosen to.

Some other fighters who it might have been worth considering for inclusion are:

Tommy Burns. Obviously Burns is too small to be in the running for hardest puncher but he is one of the best pound for pound punchers and there is some verry good footage of him destroying much bigger oponents.

Floyd Patterson. Again small but lots of verry spectacular footage.

Ing Johansen. Enough said.

Bob Satterfield. Not a great but some sweet footage.

 

Im at a computer without sound right now, but when i got home i'll watch all this.