Hardest puncher in HW division history?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by CroBox29, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:42 AM.


Choose the hardest puncher.

  1. George Foreman

    22 vote(s)
    29.7%
  2. Wladimir Klitschko

    6 vote(s)
    8.1%
  3. Deontay Wilder

    24 vote(s)
    32.4%
  4. Ron Lyle

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Earnie Shavers

    13 vote(s)
    17.6%
  6. Lennox Lewis

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  7. Mike Tyson

    5 vote(s)
    6.8%
  8. Rocky Marciano

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  9. Joe Frazier

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Vitali Klitschko

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    He has the highest knockout-rate of all and most of these (about 25) in the first two rounds. So he have to be the best beside Marciano here, but he was handicaped by injuries, before he put more weight into his punches, but afterwards he was afraid of muscle-risses on his shoulder and biceps.
    By the way when he was able to stop over 90% of his opponents, knocking Williams six times down, stunning Adamek in every round, threwing Chisora across through the ring with an injured shoulder, knocking Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds out just as Herbie Hide (who went 9 rounds with Bowe), Solis and Norris in one rounds, having Donald five time down in one round (who was never before or after knocked down), stopping Purritty and Bean (who went 12 rounds with Holyfiled and Moorer), having Lewis out of his feet in two rounds, stopping Peter in 8 rounds (who went 22 rounds with his brother), what would he have done when he take all his power into the punches? He must have killed most of the opponents according to your claim.
     
  2. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Member Full Member

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    Wilder's power gets massively overrated. He's just so Big and lanky ir makes it easier for him to catch his oppopnent flush. Baer_Louis_shavers and marciano has more power.
     
  3. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder is such a freak that you can’t really apply conventional wisdom here. He’s 212lbs of solid muscle and just uses an insane amount of leverage stemming from his freakish proportions. I’m ready to say he’s the hardest puncher in HW history. It’s not just that he knocks them out, it’s the WAY he knocked them out. He can touch you anywhere with the right and you are going to be put down for a while. He can put your lights out anytime during the fight up to the final round with one right hand. I just don’t think we’ve seen anything quite like him in this division.
     
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  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He hits really hard, but no reason to say he is #1.
    Especially when considering the overall quality & ranking of his opponents.
    Some have knocked out his opponents earlier.
    He also uses illegal, largely rabbit punches, often enough to score KOs or soften guys up. That has more impact than legal blows.

    Also, a few people are using his lightest weight-212 & 1/2-as his weight, when that is not what he normally is.
     
  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’ve had a good think about this, and I actually think it’s Lennox Lewis.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shavers ko'd 68 of the 74 men he beat for a 76.4% ko percentage he is obviously a monster puncher ,the hardest who knows?
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course he's a big puncher but those who are trying to discredit Wilder's punching power are just trolling.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh please. Earnie Shavers hit very hard.

    But if I said one of Wilder's best KOs came against a boxer who had a record of 7-3 and weighed 199 pounds, which Jimmy Young was, I'd be banned.

    Shavers fought Young a year later, when Young had 13 wins, and only drew with him.

    You think 10-fight pro Jimmy Young, with a 7-3 record, weighing 199 pounds, BEATS Wilder? Bull.

    Also, a number of people knocked out Jimmy Ellis, Ken Norton and Jimmy Young. They were stopped a total of 10 times.

    And Jimmy Ellis spent the first four years of his career as a middleweight (when middleweights were actually middleweights, not cruiserweights who dried out and rehydrated to 185 pounds before the bell rang.

    And Jose Luis Garcia knocked out Ken Norton first. And Garcia couldn't punch.

    Yet this green 199 pound heavyweight with a 7-3 record and a former middleweight are two of Shavers' best KOs?

    If Earnie Shavers knocked out the undefeated Luis Ortiz (TWICE), Ortiz would be the best KO on Shavers' record. Especially since Shavers couldn't even survive against guys like Ron Stander, Tex Cobb and Bernardo Mercado.

    Wilder hits harder than Shavers.

    Guys like Stan Johnson, Vicente Rondon, Ron Stander, Bob Stallings, Ali Haakem, Walter Santemore, Quick Tillis and Leroy Boone wouldn't have survived against Wilder, but Earnie couldn't do much with them.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder's knocked out everyone he's faced but Fury, who he had down twice and arguably could've gotten a stoppage win over if the ref wasn't so eager to let Fury walk around for 10 seconds after he got up to "prove" he was okay.

    Quite a few bad fighters went the distance with Shavers, or outright beat him.

    And they weren't undefeated, 6'9" boxer-punchers.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
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  11. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder has not knocked out too many quality guys. Wilder is quicker than Shavers but I am not sure he hits harder than him. Both are in my TOP 5.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shavers didn't knock out too many quality guys, either.

    Both guys fought a number of Walter Santemore and Ron Stander types coming up.

    The difference is, Wilder knocked out all of his. And Shavers not only didn't knock out all of his, he lost to a handful of them, too.

    I watched them both. Shavers from 1977 on. Wilder as an amateur and since he turned pro.

    IMO, Wilder is a much harder puncher. Yes, MUCH. I lost count of the number of times I saw Earnie drop a guy, and then the guy got up and stopped Shavers or won a decision over him.
     
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    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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  14. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vital never floored;
    Briggs
    Johnson
    Arreola
    Chisora
    Saunders
    Peter
    Purrity
    Sosnowski


    Charr was stopped on a cut eye
    On Donald's knockdowns , for 2 of them he was thrown to the floor.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I admit that I am hard put to find somebody who was more naturally dangerous with a single punch.

    Most of the great finishers of history relied upon combinations, or accumulation of punches, or a single counter punch set up very very carefully.

    The best comparison that I can think of is Max Baer.
     
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