Hardest puncher in HW division history?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by CroBox29, Nov 30, 2019.

Choose the hardest puncher.

  1. George Foreman

    26 vote(s)
  2. Wladimir Klitschko

    8 vote(s)
  3. Deontay Wilder

    27 vote(s)
  4. Ron Lyle

    0 vote(s)
  5. Earnie Shavers

    15 vote(s)
  6. Lennox Lewis

    2 vote(s)
  7. Mike Tyson

    6 vote(s)
  8. Rocky Marciano

    2 vote(s)
  9. Joe Frazier

    0 vote(s)
  10. Vitali Klitschko

    0 vote(s)
  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Good comparison ,imo.
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  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    On 29 occasions, boxers stepped in the ring with Baer and either didn't get stopped or beat him.

    A light heavyweight champion would never beat Wilder. A man who lost a decision in a light heavyweight title fight would never beat Deontay Wilder. They both beat Baer.

    Willie Davies beat Baer. Les Kennedy beat Baer. Benny Hill went the distance with Baer (twice). Natie Brown went the distance with Baer.

    Again, Wilder has knocked out everyone except for Fury, who was the undefeated 6'9", 256-pound boxer-puncher. And he floored Fury twice and could've had a 12th round stoppage if not for the ref dragging things out after Fury got up.

    Deontay Wilder didn't go the distance or lose to someone like Willie Davies. Wilder didn't go the distance with Less Kennedy and Benny Hill.

    We get into these discussions, and it's easy to sound like you're saying someone doesn't punch hard. Baer could punch.

    But he didn't knock out a lot of the underdogs he faced. And he lost to light heavyweights and also-rans.

    Dimitry Bivol isn't beating Wilder and guys who lost decisions to BIvol, like Joe Smith, aren't beating Wilder, either.

    Wilder is destroying fighters who weigh 20, 30 or 40 pounds more than him.

    Baer weighed about as much as Wilder and was losing to and going the distance with 175-pounders.
  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jul 7, 2018
    Wilder never dropped a non glass jaw fighter. In fact the only fighter with a decent chin that he fought is Dupuah
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  4. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    I was comparing them more in terms of a given attribute, but never mind.

    Baer was thrown to the wolves early, and matched much harder than Wilder throughout his career.
    This I am not so sure about.
    Wilder has on,y fought four men ranked in the top ten, and two of them took him the distance.

    I am not down playing Wilder's power, because all my instincts back it up.

    What I am saying is that he still have a limited data sample.
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Lmao Dubblechin trippin

    The LHWs today aren't great. The last "great" LHW was Roy Jones Jr, who was chinny anyways. Lmao there aren't LHWs who beat Wilder? There isn't a LHW fighter in history who can replicate what Spzilka did for 3 more rounds? Lol what a clown.

    Byrd beats Wilder
    Toney beats Wilder
    Spinks beats Wilder
    Loughran beats Wilder

    Furthermore, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson, Gene Tunney and Billy Conn vs Wilder are all 50-50s...
    He could lose to anyone of them.
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  6. TheEliteMaster100

    TheEliteMaster100 Member Full Member

    Sep 21, 2019
    Shavers has an ATG right hand.

    Liston can punch with either hands! His jab can knock you out

    Louis was methodical and best heavyweight technician. Pure predator in the ring and kayoed the best opposition (Rated contenders).

    Foreman had a thudding pole axe left jab, killer uppercuts and can punch with each hands.

    Wilder can also punch like a mule but his opposition is poor. Shavers has Jimmy Young, Ellis and Norton on his resume regardless if Norton was washed up, that is better than anyone on Wilder's resume.
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  7. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 19, 2016
    Go on, Cec. Talk us through why. Interesting answer and I for one wouldn't disagree wholeheartedly. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    Again, Jimmy Young had a record of 7-3 and weighed 199 pounds when Shavers beat him. He is not better than anyone on Wilder's resume.

    Jimmy Ellis hadn't beaten anyone with a winning record in years leading up to the Shavers fight and had already lost eight times before he got in the ring with Shavers. Wilder has better guys than Jimmy Ellis on his resume.

    And Shavers fought a lot of bad fighters who he not only didn't stop but who also beat him.

    If you're measuring who is the biggest puncher, you just can't ignore all the guys Shavers faced who went the distance with him or straight up beat him.

    If he didn't knock them out, that doesn't help his case.
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    Baer lost to lesser men at the start of his career, when he was briefly champ, and when he was older.

    You can't just dismiss it with a wave and say he was thrown to the wolves early. Some of those wolves had losing records and were supposed to be sheep. And they still lasted the distance or beat him.

    Finally, Wilder is the WBC champion. He fights WBC contenders. He won the title from the WBC champion. He's made 10 defenses of the WBC title againt WBC challengers. He's going to make his 11th WBC title defense in the spring against another WBC-ranked challenger. He won regional WBC titles from WBC-ranked fighters before that.

    He's been fighting WBC ranked fighters for years. There weren't just four.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2019
  10. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2015
    Ko's are much more than "hitting hard". Timing, accuracy, judging the distance, angles and surprise. All are major factors in Ko's. Also something rarely mentioned is the abilities of the opponents, does the opponents have the ability to "ride" punches for instance. ( Something rarely seen in heavyweight boxers today, thus, a fighter like Wilder may look like a dynamic puncher and he is. But his competition is made to get KO'ed. ) For me, the hardest punchers are Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, and believe it or not Cooney, if were going on a one shot basis. And if I had to pick one,,,,,, Foreman, based on the caliber of fighters he stopped with just a few clean punches.

    But, Joe Louis and Mike Tyson would be the most complete punchers as far as all the attributes that contributes to being a KO artist.
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    When rating punchers, who a puncher DOESN'T stop matters, too.

    Guys like Roberto Davila, Levi Forte, Bigfoot Martin, Crawford Grimsley, Lou Savarese, Shannon Briggs, Axel Shulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Morrison all went the distance with Foreman.

    Guys like Scott Ledoux, Stan Ward, Larry Middleton, Gregorio Peralta (twice), Bob Stallings*, Manuel Ramos, Leroy Caldwell all went the distance with Ron Lyle.

    Guys like Matt Robinson, Sam McGill and Eddie Lopez all went the distance with Cooney.

    Guys like Stan Johnson, Vicente Rondon, Bob Stallings*, Ron Stander, Bernardo Mercado, Leroy Boone, Ali Haakem, Walter Santemore and Quick Tillis all went the distance or beat Shavers.

    A lot of boxers found those guys "made to get KOed." (I think Tillis alone was stopped a dozen times.) But Shavers, Foreman, Lyle and Cooney didn't.

    *In fact, how does Bob Stallings go the distance with Shavers and Lyle, but get knocked out by Jack Bodell and "Blue" Lewis?

    The undefeated 6'9" boxer/puncher Tyson Fury is the only man Wilder has faced who he hasn't stopped (although he had him down twice). And he's fighting Fury again next.

    Wilder's the best puncher out of the bunch.
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  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

    Oct 17, 2014
    What does it matter, them were all stopped and Charr was already knocked down in the second round and almost in the first. It was just a matter of time till he would he gotten knocked out, this was a nice way out for him, as excuse.

    He never fought any Saunders.
    Sosonowsky was knocked down (possible out) as I remember. He knocked Johnson down two times in the second round and out. So you are lying again with your fake facts!

    Donald was never knocked down previous and after, but fought a lot of punchers (Bowe, Johnson, Walujew, Powetkin, Purritty among others), got got here stopped by the 3 time in one round knockdown-rule. Possible has he an all time top 10 chin.

    He battered Arreola and Sanders, who stayed on the ropes and therefore couldn't get down. Peter went before 12 rounds without knockdown with his brother and also wasn't this vs. Maskajew, another hard hitting puncher. But here he had to quit after 8 rounds and Arreola would have been knocked out in the next round if he had continued. He almost murdered Briggs, who had over thirty broken bones in his face and stand always on the ropes (which kept him on his feet).

    Purritty was never down, but stayed at the end on the ropes passive (receiving punishment) and this was one of the very few time he was stopped.
  13. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

    Nov 8, 2008
    VK is a arm puncher......end of.......and his KO's came against totally washed up has beens.

    What exactly is VK's signature win......TKO 6 ?
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 26, 2009
    how can you rate Wilder so fast with hi opposition? You need his whole career to do a proper assessment
  15. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 22, 2015
    Well I certainly know this opinion can be knocked down and Lewis has a reputation for being cautious especially in the Holyfield and Tua fights. I was just mainly thinking about his most devastating performances and the effect his punches had on those opponents stood out.
    The first right hand that floored Ruddock, you would think someone has whipped his legs away with a rope.The single right hand that took out an admittedly faded Weaver when on the way up.The near one punch blow out of Rahman. The destruction of Golota was devastating, and it didn’t take that many blows, once again the first right was the punch that did the damage. A single left hook turned the Bruno fight.The damage wreaked on Morrison, Briggs, Botha and Grant.
    He could do it with the overhand right, the uppercut and the left hook.
    I just think sometimes his sheer power is overlooked and he was doing it right at the very top.
    In any discussion for the hardest hitter ever, he should be up there.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2019
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