Hardest puncher in HW division history?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by CroBox29, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:42 AM.


Choose the hardest puncher.

  1. George Foreman

    22 vote(s)
    29.7%
  2. Wladimir Klitschko

    6 vote(s)
    8.1%
  3. Deontay Wilder

    24 vote(s)
    32.4%
  4. Ron Lyle

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Earnie Shavers

    13 vote(s)
    17.6%
  6. Lennox Lewis

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  7. Mike Tyson

    5 vote(s)
    6.8%
  8. Rocky Marciano

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  9. Joe Frazier

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Vitali Klitschko

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember seeing an interview with nigel benn one time. He said something like "stuff moves on, man". He went on to explain how the greats of yesteryear would almost certainly get battered by the current crop. Why? Well, everything really. The overall bar of entry is higher, people are more athletic and know much more about nutrition and body mechanics. For me, when I see Dempsey, Louis and Liston I see greats of their era, but I imagine, for example, that the best fighters of the last ten years would either clown them or nail them to the canvas in short order. Yeah I know I'll get grief for the view. Cue everyone telling me about technique and 15 rounds and so on. But I just don't see it. I think dillian whyte - bog standard gatekeeper - would KO Dempsey in 3.
     
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who would beat who isn’t the question though.
     
  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ever so slowly, people are starting to come around.

     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Twenty-two guys faced Tyson and Foreman and didn't get knocked out.

    There's only one guy Wilder has faced who he didn't stop ... and he dropped that guy twice.
     
  6. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Hey man you think wilder is the hardest heavyweight hitter fair enough no problem he could be maybe .

    But in my opinion it's either tyson or foreman who have sstopped higher competition in early rounds
     
  7. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I reject the comparison, because both Foreman and Tyson fought many more ranked contenders than Wilder.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I totally get that. When it comes to power punching, everyone loves highlight reel KOs.

    But if you're the best puncher ever, you should also knock out the guys who everybody knocks out and you're supposed to knock out, too.

    To me, those are the red flags.

    Guys like Levi Forte got knocked out 16 times. But he went 10 with George Foreman. Danny Williams has been knocked out 15 times. He not only didn't get stopped by Tyson, he STOPPED Tyson. Quick Tillis was stopped a dozen times. He went the distance with Tyson. Bigfoot Martin was stopped a dozen times. He went the distance with Foreman. And on and on.

    We all know Foreman and Tyson could punch.

    When rating the best ever, to me, who the DIDN'T knock out is also very relevent.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George Foreman did fight a lot of contenders. And, surprisingly he DID NOT stop and/or beat the majority of them.

    He didn't knock out a number of non-contenders, either.

    I don't know how that helps his case.
     
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  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder fought a grand total of four contenders.

    He stopped two of them.

    A fighters KO% falls off rapidly when they step up in competition.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Groan.

    Wilder's stopped everyone he's faced except Fury.

    And this "four contenders" (whoever they are) nonsense has to stop.

    Wilder is the WBC champion. He beat the reigning WBC Champion. He's made 10 defenses of the WBC title against WBC contenders. He won WBC regional belts before he won the WBC world title. He fights WBC contenders.

    And Wilder's fought more than four of them. I don't know where that nonsense comes from.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only guy Wilder hasn't stopped is Tyson Fury. And he's fighting him again next. And he's already had Fury down twice. And it took a referee giving Fury 10 seconds after he got off the floor to clear his head for Fury to get to the final bell.

    No other puncher in this thread can say anything remotely like that.

    They all have quite a few guys they couldn't stop or beat.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, he had.
     
  14. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    Thank you Cecil. Really good points. I don't think you'll get much agreement but the case against is almost certain to be weaker and more partisan than the case for that you have presented.
     
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  15. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well the thing is Eddie, there’s several who have a shout, it’s difficult to decipher exactly who is the man.
    I’ve a feeling Wilder by the end of his time could be the one and I don’t think I would have said that a year or two ago!
     


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