Hardest puncher in HW division history?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by CroBox29, Nov 30, 2019.


Choose the hardest puncher.

  1. George Foreman

    26 vote(s)
    30.2%
  2. Wladimir Klitschko

    8 vote(s)
    9.3%
  3. Deontay Wilder

    27 vote(s)
    31.4%
  4. Ron Lyle

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Earnie Shavers

    15 vote(s)
    17.4%
  6. Lennox Lewis

    2 vote(s)
    2.3%
  7. Mike Tyson

    6 vote(s)
    7.0%
  8. Rocky Marciano

    2 vote(s)
    2.3%
  9. Joe Frazier

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Vitali Klitschko

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What stage you are in your career is just as important imo, Foreman had 11 fights when he faced 43 fight Forte.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stiverne took him the distance as well.
    Holding a ranking with the Whetabix Boxing Commision does not make you a contender.

    Wilder has fought a grand total of four men ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine, as in legitimately ranked contenders, and two of them took him the distance.
     
  3. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only thing that made me hesitate with Wilder, is that he needs to take rounds and rounds to plan his knockout- punch in order for it to work. So his catching the opponent totally by surprise might give the illusion that he is the hardest hitter, when in all reality, it might be that he is the most skilled in catching his opponents by total surprise. Notice that when the opponent is expecting the punch it doesn't knock them out. Look at the Spilka fight. So after hesitating based on that factor, I finally gave him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I posted this elsewhere. Everyone Wilder has defended the WBC title against were ranked WBC contenders. You can call them what you want, but they are. Every last one of them.

    Someone said everyone knows who the contenders are. WRONG.

    Those same people complaining about Wilder only fighting WBC contenders and holding up the RING ratings as THE RATINGS ... those same guys start threads saying Wilder should fight guys who AREN'T included in the RING ratings (but are ranked by the WBC).

    Because those posters don't even know who Ring considers "contenders."

    Usyk is rated by the WBC, WBA and WBO at heavyweight ... but he isn't a heavyweight contender according to RING. Apparently, everyone knows Usyk's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING.

    Hrgovic is rated by all the orgs at heavyweight right now ... but not by RING. Apparently, everyone knows Hrgovic is a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING.

    Michael Hunter is rated by all the orgs at heavyweight right now ... but not by RING. Apparently, everyone knows Hunter's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING.

    Daniel Dubois is rated by the WBC, IBF and WBO at heavyweight right now ... but he isn't a heavyweight contender according to RING. Apparently they all know he's a heavyweight contender EXCEPT RING.

    Dereck Chisora is the same. Rated by the orgs. Not rated by RING.

    The RING didn't even rate Andy Ruiz before he fought Joshua, but the WBC did.

    So don't give me this garbage that everyone knows who the contenders are. Even when all the orgs agree on who the contenders are, RING can't seem to get it's act together and figure it out.

    The Whetabix Boxing Commision (as you called them) contenders are all fine. Who is rated by the WBC who isn't a contender? Rattle them off?

    Is Tyson Fury? Is Whyte? Is Povetkin? Is Parker? Is Usyk? Is Ortiz? Is Chisora? Is Hrgovic? Is Joyce? Kownacki? Pulev? Hunter?

    Where are all these terrible contenders the WBC rates who AREN'T CONTENDERS?

    The only reason you don't think the contenders Wilder knocked out are good is because HE BEAT THEM. If Gerald Washington or Breazeale or any of them had upset Wilder, like Ruiz upset Joshua, you'd have no problem considering them a quality opponent.

    But he beat them, so you ridicule them and say they weren't "real" contenders.

    Screw that.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone Wilder has faced for the last five years has been a WBC ranked fighter, and he's knocked them all out except for Fury.
     
  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    I would add Johansson, Sullivan and Helenius as well.
     
  7. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why have you conveniently left out the fact that he didn’t come close to stopping Bermane Stiverne in their first title fight even though he was hitting him and dominating him for the entire 12 rounds? The fact that Wilder easily knocked out an overweight and inactive Stiverne who had fought only once in the near 3 years since their first encounter doesn’t magically make the result and events of the first fight disappear like it never happened.
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I haven't conveniently left out anything. Everyone knows (except for you, apparently) that Wilder broke his right hand when he floored Stiverne in their first fight. And he boxed his way to a clear decision win.

    In the rematch, with a right hand that wasn't broken, he destroyed him.

    What broken hands did the other heavyweights in this thread have that caused them not to score knockouts? Did Foreman have a broken hand when he went the distance with Robert Davila, Levi Forte, Crawford Grimsley, Axel Shulz, Alex Stewart, Bigfoot Martin ... etc.?

    Then why did those knockovers go the distance with him?

    Wilder's the best puncher in heavyweight history. All the others guys went the distance with bad fighters and they didn't have an excuse for it like a freaking BROKEN hand.
     
  9. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Active Member Full Member

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  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holding a ranking with the WBC means less than nothing in my eyes.

    The Ring rankings are the only ones that represent a serious attempt to list the top ten fighters in the division.
    Usky's only fight at heavyweight is Chaz Witherspoon, so I have no problem with him not being ranked at the moment.
    He is a future contender, who has beaten nobody of any note yet.

    Again, I don't have a problem with him being unranked, it will come soon enough.
    I imagine that Hunter will get a ranking based upon his draw against Povetkin, which is fair enough.
    He is not a contender yet.

    It would not be right for him to get a title shot, in place of the men currently ranked by Ring Magazine.

    Again, it will come soon enough!
    He loses whenever he fights somebody in the top ten, so that is understandable.

    If he strings together a couple more wins, he will probably get ranked.
    It is more a question of who they omit.

    According to them Anthony Joshua, who holds three other belts, is not in the top fifteen!

    How can I possibly take that seriously!
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's funny, considering they have spent the whole of 2019 trying to fix the collossal screw up they committed at heavyweight in 2018 ... and still haven't managed to do that yet.

    They are no better than any other org and, in fact, are less relevent. At this point, they are the print version of boxrec. And print is dead.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now there I would have to disagree.

    They are the only rankings that rank purely on merit, rather than loyalty to their organisation.

    There may be problems with them, but they are the beast we have got!
     
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  13. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No Elmer "Violent" Ray?
     
  14. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think that Curtis Sheppard would be a better candidate, if you were going to choose a heavyweight from that era.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have never seen anyone effect men of that size with one punch the way Wilder do. Of course, the great speed of those punches are a factor as well. They don't really see them coming, unlike more clubbing punchers like Foreman. It's impossible to completely separate power from factors such as speed and timing, but from what I've seen of the effect of Wilder's right, even when it doesn't land clean, I just have to pick him, even though I don't like him as a fighter or his trash talking image or the fact that he walked away from the most lucrative multi fight deal in boxing that would also have unified the titles. But his power is something else.
     


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