Hardline Boxing Talk

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jason Thomas, Jul 27, 2020.


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  1. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I want to give a heads up for this site over on you tube. The fellow who set it up apparently put the yearly Ring Magazine Rankings in a computer. He goes through champions and challengers and totals up how many ranked fighters, top three ranked fighters, and champions his subject has fought.

    His subjects include champions and contenders in every weight class, so there is a lot of information here. His technique is to go through a fighter's career 20 fights at a time listing who was/is a Hall of Famer, champion, top three contender, or ever ranked contender.

    There are some weaknesses. There is no distinction drawn between ever rated and rated at the time of the fight with the subject. He relies on The Ring's annual rankings, which are not month by month and are by a magazine.

    But there is a treasure trove of information, especially on classes below heavyweight.

    For example, here is some information given on Maxie Rosenbloom

    Total record--224 wins, 44 losses, 29 draws, with 19 KO's

    Record against champions--17 wins, 13 losses, 6 draws

    Record against top three rated fighters--35 wins, 24 losses, 11 draws

    Record against ever rated fighters--80 wins, 40 losses, 23 draws

    That is some resume, isn't it.

    So I want to give a heads up to dip into this site and see what you think.

    I can reach it by typing in "Hardline Boxing Talk" over at you tube. You can add a name, such "Hardline Boxing Talk, Joe Louis" if you want to find out information about a specific fighter. I just discovered this site yesterday but am enjoying browsing through it
     
    Jason Thomas, Jul 27, 2020
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks very much for the heads up!
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cheers JT; they have certainly have shown a dedication, and a lot of data.
     
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  4. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Its ok, but the guy is a total stat freak basically takes nothing else into account.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Dec 28, 2022
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  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have just locked on to the site on YouTube, and see that the latest video is Naoya Inoue Is No ATG!

    I tried to watch the video, but gave up after about 15 minutes! When the main argument seems to be, that those who rate Inoue very highly are basically idiots, with no knowledge of boxing history... well, when I see bias like that, I just lose interest.
     
    Bukkake, Dec 29, 2022
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks very much much appreciated!
     
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  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're right... if one looks at his All-Time Top-100, it seems like the number of pro fights weighs very heavily on his rankings. It's quite strange to see Sugar Ray Leonard at 77 - 59 places below Fritzie Zivic in 18th place! Just one example of the weirdness to be found here:

    Top 100 Boxers of All Time | My Site (boxinglibrarian.com)
     
    Bukkake, Dec 30, 2022
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  8. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Indeed and Duran at 34? Nonsense.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Dec 30, 2022
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  9. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    That too.
     
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  10. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Inoue is a legit ATG. Might be the best fighter in the world right now. Sheesh, give the man his due.
     
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  11. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    If he doesnt have 200-300 fights he wont rank him lol.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Dec 30, 2022
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  12. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Of course ranking your top 1000 is pretty ridiculous in itself.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Dec 31, 2022
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  13. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    I guess Joe Frazier only having 37 fights is a real crusher.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Jan 3, 2023
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  14. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a tricky question though!

    In most sports the stars are playing more games/matches, the leagues have taken measures to make games more competitive (like salary caps, draft picks, etc), while boxing has gone the other way.
     
    sasto, Jan 3, 2023
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  15. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Yes but you can still find a way to rank without 500 fights and btw I definitely think the old timers were generally better.
     
    SwarmingSlugger, Jan 5, 2023
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