Harold Johnson vs Jack Dempsey

How have you reached the incredible conclusion that Charles and Moore were better than Dempsey, and would it necessarily matter if they were?

 

Dempsey was naturally bigger than both Moore and Charles and his style would have definately made Johnson uncomfortable.

 

I'd take Dempsey...by stop.

 

Weren't better heavyweights, but pound for pound all time yes they were. Charles is a top 5 fighter of all time. His resume blows dempseys out of the water

 

Dempsey too strong, fast and rugged, Harold can not pull a Tunney IMO

 

Tunney would not have pulled a Tunney against a prime Dempsey ..

 

Like this post...ain't that the truth...

 

Bill Brennan almost did and wasnt as good as Tunney or as tough, I think Tunney would have been just fine against Dempsey.

 

I agree that Tunney might well have beaten ANY version of Dempsey.

But Brennan did not "almost" do it at all. He was blasted out in round 6 of a 10-rounder, and in round 12 of a 15-rounder. That's falling far far short of beating a man.

 

Harold Johnson has a decent chance of winning with discipline boxing skill, but he might just get blasted out.

 

Dempsey KO

 

Brennan was ahead in their fight when Dempsey finally got him. He had wobbled Dempsey in the second and again in the 10th or 11th (I forget) with a punch that nearly tore Dempsey's ear off and forced him to get reconstructive surgery on it after the fight. Watch that complete film and you will see Brennan jab jab jab and then drop over the right whenever Dempsey is able to work his way in close, tie him up, lean on him, and push him around. It was almost exactly the same gameplan that Tunney used only Brennan wasnt nearly as good, durable, or disciplined to be able to stick to it. Dempsey's showing against Brennan was so lackluster that it was hear the rumors of loaded gloves against Willard started. Dont tell me that wasnt "almost" especially considering Brennan's showing was enough to fuel talks of a third fight (despite losing the first two) for another two or three years.

 

You dont get this kind of coverage or get asked to tour internationally or on vaudville by just spoiling to survive 12 rounds or by getting dominated or blitzed by the champion:

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Here is Dempsey in the second round after being rocked to his heels by two uppercuts and being sent reeling into the ropes with Brennan after him:
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Given that this "third or fourth rater," as one of the above contemporaries termed Brennan, could map out such a strategy and give a prime Dempsey such a fight, smearing his face with blood that "squirted" from his nose, mouth, and ear, I think Tunney would stand a very good chance of duplicating his success of 26 and 27 given that he was a full class or two above Brennan.