Harold Lederman & the 12th Round

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  1. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I was into my cups by the end of the fight, but can anyone explain to me how he had Cotto winning that round? I can't understand that at all. I'll watch and again and see for myself, but what am I missing?

    For the record, I scored the fight 6-6 and have no trouble with either guy winning. I had thought Cotto would win more convincingly and get stronger down the stretch. Wrong about that one.
     
  2. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I gave Cotto the final round and I know a few other people I respect in the boxing world who did too. I can also understand why people gave it to Mosley, but I don't think it was as one sided as some are making it. I really thought Mosley would win the round, but he just stalked Cotto without throwing any punches. When Cotto did throw he connected with some solid shots, and in my eyes that was more effective then Mosley just walking him down not throwing anything. I have no fanboy status towards either fight, nor did I care who won too much, so it's not like I'm a huge Cotto fan or anything. That is how I scored the round, and I'm interested to see how the official judges had it.
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    My thoughts exactly. I had the fight 6-5 Cotto going into the 12th. Cotto fought the 12th like he had the fight won already. He ran the whole time, occasionally throwing a punch. Mosely didn't alot of good blows, but he pressed the action and Cotto didn't land much either. As a result, I gave Mosely the 12th. The better question is how did the judges have it going into the 12th? and how did they score the 12th? Two judges scored it 115-113 Cotto and one had it 116-113 Cotto. If two of the judges had it 6-5 Cotto going into the 12th, then that raises some more interesting questions.
     
  4. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Thank you for posting that. I enjoy difference of opinion. I need to rewatch.

    To me, that round was similar to Taylor/Wright 12, but Cotto was even less effective than Winky in the "win while going away" finale.
     
  5. Tuavale

    Tuavale Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto won most of the late rounds. The HBO crew greatly exaggerated Cotto's change of tempo. He was landing the better shots even if he wasn't pressing Mosley like he was in some other rounds. Watch it again. :smoke :smoke
     
  6. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I felt Mosely won the last one pretty handily actually. He threw more, landed more and landed cleaner. On top of that, Cotto was content to back away and throw sparingly, knowing he had the fight in hand.

    But to your greater point Lampley....Harold Lederman is the worst judge in boxing....Ive trained myself to ignore him.
     
  7. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto DEFINITELY won the 9th

    and Mosley DEFINITELY won the 12th
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's the explanation:

    If he doesn't give Cotto the 12, the fight is a draw on his card and HBO's 'rising star' gets kind of punked by the house judge.

    Sad, but I can't see it any other way. Cotto posed and retreated the entire round. Mosley easily took that round.
     
  9. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It sure does.

    Great post.
     
  10. tis4u2envy

    tis4u2envy Member Full Member

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    compubox numbers for the 12 was mosley 5-26 cotto 11-33 i don't see wither throwing that much but that was the compubox numbers for the 12th
     
  11. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I gave the 12th to Mosley and had the fight 6-6 (draw)
     
  12. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah that's how i had it.

    mosley didn't have great success himself in that 12th rd.

    but he did more to push the action than cotto. :yep

    we had joe tessitore and wally matthews doing commentary and they had cotto winning it.

    judging is so subjective.

    especially like that fight last night where u had some rds where mosley was pushing the action and cotto countering quite well. :bbb
     
  13. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It doesnt really matter.
    Neither guy was the Boss by the end of twelve.
    They tried but neither could dominate the other.
    Best result would have been a Draw.
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I thought that Mosely imposed his will on Cotto in the last 4 rounds.....
    ....having said that, the early to mid rounds had alot of rounds that could have gone either way.....
    .....this is probably one of those fights that everybody would have gone home happy with a draw!
     
  15. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I thought the 12th round was the only round in which Mosley won from the final 4. And, he only won the round because Cotto did not do anything. Round 9 and 11 were both Cotto rounds. And round 10 was really close with both fighters landing big shots that I called it a draw.