Harry Greb Confident He Can Beat Dempsey

dempsey1234 · May 2, 2016

IDK about a ND fight but in no way would it favor Greb, even if he got the newspaper decision it wouldn't have anything but a moral victory.
The reason Gibbons got the shot was cos he was a "HW", or perceived as one while Greb was perceived as a MW-LHW. Gibbons was an easier sell in Shelby, as was Firpo, Tunney and Sharkey, cos the perception was they were HW's people just didn't want to see a rehash of the Carpentier fight, with Dempsey fighting a smaller man.

mcvey · May 3, 2016

gregluland said: ↑

I have always maintained that the earlier fights between Greb and Tunney were between a prime Greb and a raw inexperienced and a long way from prime Tunney but when Tunney was reaching or had reached prime he was a better fighter with better weapons than Harry Greb. Am I being hard on Greb or trying to diminish his legacy as a great fighter ? NO, but I am saying he wasn't the best to ever live... the real deal that Tunney became certainly was too big and too good for Greb and yet when he beat Dempsey I maintain Jack was well past it and ripe for destruction..... Can Greb beat Dempsey on equal terms ? NOPE.

Here is a great article/fight report on the fight in early '24... the date of article is 2/2/1924. enjoy

http://www.mcgoortyshistoricalboxin...harry-greb-the-sporting-globe-sat-2-feb-1924/
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For the first Greb fight Tunney was 2 days off of his 25th birthday with 41 fights under his belt that is a career to modern fighters.

For the second fight Tunney was 25 years old with 48 fights, he was also the reigning American Light Heavyweight Champion

For the third he had 51 fights and had fought the likes of:
Levinsky
Weinertx2
Wiggins x2
Loughran

You cannot get more absurd than to state such a fighter is ,
" raw and inexperienced".

Utterly ludicrous.atsch

mcvey · May 3, 2016

gregluland said: ↑

I agree with most of that but this article written in 1924 clearly was concerned with the fact that Grab wanted to fight Tunney and they do acknowledge that Tunney is too strong and too big for him, not Gene's fault that Harry didn't agree. Their 5 fight series wasn't split, Greb won the first Tunney is given the 2nd and 3rd... the 4th is credited as a draw which Tunney had the edge.... it was only a ND 10 rounder though and by the last round it seems Harry is getting wobbled and the bell rang just in time...... Greb may have lasted another 5 rounds but was almost knocked down just before the fight ended. The draw is not official... the 5th was won by Tunney...... the ND fights do not count officially....it is just us and the old timers who claim wins one way or the other. In the end these losses can't be held against Greb but on the other side of the coin the loss Tunney is credited does not count against him as he was making a huge step up in class for that, his best opponent before that off the top of my head was Leo Houk... Houk was no Greb, far from it.
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This fight was officially a No Decision. Referee Matt Hinkel said that if he had been permitted to give a decision, he would have declared the contest a draw.

Houck has wins over:
Chip
Klaus
McGoorty
Smith
Smith [Gunboat]
Mantell
Levinsky
Dillon
Papke

mcvey · May 3, 2016

Berlenbach said: ↑

What evidence is there that Wills was known to "dog it" when the going got rough? Was Dempsey dogging it against Firpo and Sharkey when he blatantly fouled?
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Wills fouled out to Sharkey because he was getting a pasting ,that is the consensus view.

RockyValdez · May 3, 2016

Why do you keep saying Tunney had the edge in the fourth fight? In the fourth fight the majority of ringside sources thought Greb won. That's not a draw. That's a win for Greb.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it so.

Show me where a majority believed Tunney got a draw much less had an edge in that fight.

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