Harry Greb fighting today would not be an ATG, why?

I don't know about the east coast right now. I was wanting to move to somewhere warm most of the year.

I am very sorry to hear that he passed away. My condolences to his friends and family.

 

Thanks very much.:good

 

As a boxer you know that a cluster of fast punches that come from unexpected angles can disorientate you. Greb was like a cork bobbing in a storm.Good luck with your boxing:good

 

He would be a very unorthodox and awkward opponent and thanks!

 

D, Harry Greb was NEVER boring in his 300 fight career and perchance would not be "boring" were he fighting today..Every human being or fighter born has certain intrinsic values which would apply to
any age they were born in...A close example would be a Henry Armstrong as both Greb and Armstrong were said to have a very slow heartbeat in the 40s enabling them to have amazing stamina in the ring. the difference between Greb and Armstrong was Greb had the
ability not only to throw non-stop volleys of blows from all angles, but his great ability to avoid being timed by his frenetic bouncing away from danger as he was as Tunney said "was never in the same spot for
more then a second. Armstrong took more punches always boring in.
Whatever, my point is Greb today with his combative offensive style would be tremendously popular today in several divisions...They threw away the mold with Harry...

 

I like this argument because it is more or less the reverse of the "if the old ATG's had modern training and nutrition" argument. Basically, could modern conditions make a fighter worse rather than better.

Dempsey1234 has a point that modern fighters fight far less than the oldies. Greb reputedly never sparred much because he used to get live training in the form of actual fights, which is experience that can't be replaced.

However, in my opinion, the reason modern fighters don't fight as much is that they get paid more. Guys that live for the joy of fighting will always be able to get fights. Look at Golovkin with ~350 amatuer fights. Or Tyson who fought 10 times a year in his early career.

If Greb didn't mind paying his opponents more than they actually deserved to earn, in the modern era, I don't see why he shouldn't get lots of fights. Also, he wasn't a guy that ended careers with brutal beatings. He used to win lopsided decisions, yes, but there wasn't the fear of getting crushed, as with a Tyson or whoever. I think he could get the fights if he wanted :good

 

I don't necessarily agree, but it is an original argument :good

 

Harry Greb went 261 and 17.. He fought twenty fights in one year at a certain point in his career, he was the only man to ever beat gene Tunney on paper(jack Dempsey knocked him out but still lost the fight), he has about 13-14 bonafide ATGs on his resume, I think he he'd do good in any era.

 

what are u talking about? Greb fought 4 to 20 times a year in his era, fighters today only fight 1-3 times a year. Put him in this era with modern training, equipment, medicine, gloves, fight schedules etc. he'd be a better fighter than everyone.. If you can do well in literally the toughest most inconvenient era in boxing history, I'm sure he would do well today. Golovkin would knock him out though

 

All these arguments by greg/dempsey/perry, whatever he calls himself today, are just goofy. "If greb fought today and wasnt allowed to be develop as actively as he was in his era" "if you stopped grebs career when he was 21" "if you dont include his nd fights in his record" give it up. Greb did what he did and thems the facts. You arent going to take away what he accomplished, you arent going to find some artificial criteria that somehow in your fantasy land proves he wasnt great or wasnt one of the most accomplished fighters in history. Aint gonna happen. None of your flights of fancy will change that.

 

BC, tell that to Gene tunney, and multitudes of other top fighters that
Greb "did not inflict severe beatings" to his opponents during his career. He was like a threshing machine tireless in his cutting
and voluminous punching to his opponents face from beginning to the end of the bout...One middleweight who Greb stopped described his loss to Greb thusly " I felt that the ceiling opened up and a thousand gloves came poring down into my face". Death, by a thousand stings...