Harry Greb has a better Heavyweight resume than Wilder (Not H2H)

This is a sad, sad thread meant to discredit a great champion, and is only possible because people still cling to the belief that guys who fought a hundred and fifty years ago in a segregated era are somehow better than modern athletes.

Let me tell you this: on their WORST day, Arthur spitzka, Gerald Washington, Luis Ortiz and even Bermain Stivern would all run roughshod over Billy Miske, Harry Grebb, Steamboat Larry, or whoever else you want to dig up.

Aside from that, Wilder has ten title defenses of the WBC (the real belt), and during his reign he revolutionized the sport, bringing the titles back home to America during an era where it had gone euro in the decades before and after Wilders reign.

Wilder also saved the sport, at least briefly. I don't know how old you are, but I remember the reign of Klitschko. It was a decade of utterly lackluster performances. Nothing but long, boring, robotic fights during a time when we were praying for anyone to show up and bring some excitement and drama to the HW division, and we got that with wilder

 

That's one of the best trolling posts on here lately, got to give it to you, lol.

 

I agree.
But that's a disgrace to professional boxing, not Wilder's personal disgrace.

 

This guy's a genius.

 

Look at the type of lean, mean fighting machine Wilder faced on his way to an illustrious heavyweight championship run.

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All those dudes suck though.

Y'all bragging on Greb and don't even mention Norfolk?

I don't know what it is here, Pov gets an odd amount of love here, Billy Miske is often presented as someone more than a mid LHW Dempsey took pity on, it's like y'all just latch on to some rando mid tier guy here and there and act like they're someone worth mentioning... I dare not suggest a motive, last time I did that a whole bunch of people cried at me, but I will say it's super weird and culty.

How TF do you top Greb's HW run with LHW Billy Miske and don't even mention repeated Miske dominator Kid Norfolk?


That some mentality lads. I guess though, to your benefit, it is just a stone's throw away from answering a physics question with a boxer's resume.

 

Mike wasn't a light heavyweight as he fought extensively at heavyweight and has wins over top heavyweights.

If Miske is a light heavyweight so is Dempsey

 

Harry Greb has no official wins over Billy Miske.
Harry Greb has no official wins over Jack Renault.
Harry Greb has one official win over Bill Brennan.

No official judge ever gave Greb a win over Miske or Renault. No referee awarded him a win over Miske or Renault. Greb never stopped Miske or Renault. Therefore, Greb has no wins over Miske or Renault.

No decisions "literally" mean no official winner was declared. Nobody won. Nobody lost.

Sometimes guys tried in no-decision fights. Sometimes they didn't. It was a paid gig. Nothing more. Unless someone got knocked out, the result had no bearing on anything. That's why so many people happily participated in them ... often several times a week.

Just like Roy Jones didn't decision Mike Tyson because a couple celebrity judges sitting there thought Jones did more. There were no official judges. No verdict was rendered.

So, the answer to your question is no, obviously.

If people aren't going to count Wilder flooring Fury twice and successfully defending his heavyweight title for the eighth time a win, then there's no justifying giving someone like Greb wins when no judges were present at all and it was agreed beforehand nobody would win if it went the distance.

I'm sure if Wilder rarely stopped anybody and his hometown Tuscaloosa newspapers were the only source for most of his "unofficial" fight results, and his hometown paper said he outboxed everyone, modern fans would be a tad skeptical.

For a guy who nobody alive today saw fight, and two-thirds of his fights were "unofficial" ... and it was agreed beforehand nobody would win if it went the distance ... Greb sure gets the benefit of EVERY doubt.

Fans today can't agree on the scoring of fights we can actually see and analyze. Every week a near brawl breaks out online because two guys watching the exact same fight from the exact same angle on TV can't agree on who won.

But they take all these "unofficial" results of Greb fights they or nobody else alive now (... and practically nobody alive then, either, unless you were there for all of them) has ever seen as GOSPEL.

"Myth Building" at its finest.

 

Ortiz would blow Greb into the phantom zone. The man wouldn't see the 4th round. The style was completely alien to him.

 

That's what you take issue with in my post?

There is some level of allusion to acknowledging the lack of defined divisions for most names anywhere around MW-HW in your own post for a reason; what you said can also be applied to Greb and Norfolk and also WW Walcott.

The dude was either billed at a division more than others or he wasn't. The bull**** you guys put out to justify what your stances are logical fallacies that really have nothing to do with anything and fall apart just as soon as you start using it across boxing. Like what you just said here. Fought a lot at HW with wins over top HWs? Hmm. So no non-HWs have resumes of a man who fought a lot at HW with good HW wins? Oh they do. You know what won't ever change? The billing.

So yeah, I stand by it. LHW.

 

I'm not a fan of Wilder and I think his resume is quite forgettable but he was consistently knocking out or knocking down fighters with single punches with a considerable weight disadvantage which is not the norm in the modern era of Heavyweights anyway.

I don't think Wilder gets enough credit for the above even though as I said I'm not a fan of his nor do I think he has a good resume as such.

 

Miske was over light heavyweight for much of his career and scored his best wins at that weight so not a light heavyweight by the standards of his day

I don't see any controversy here

 

For many of his newspaper wins there isn't any controversy over who won and we have multiple sources reporting on his fights.

Moreover it's apparent that often fighters tried hard in these fights given the fight reports