Harry Greb top 40 Middleweight?

It springs from a factual well though, guys fighting 40 rounds, guys fighting three top opponents in a month (compare that to now where some "champions" won't do that in a life time!) Of course, no-one is convincing me that Greb was "tougher" than Hopkins, that's BS, BUT old school boxing rewarded tougher fighters. If you had really bad hands, for example, it would be around 100 times harder to carve out a successful career because of fight schedules and less readily available medical care. You had to be tougher then than a similair fighter would now.

I wonder how many world class talents were lost because guys just didn't have the toughness to carry on?

Western capatalists societys tend to become more affluent, not less. It is an absolute fact that each generations will enjoy more luxuries than the last, and that opulance tends to make people "softer". It's a generality and I agree for the most part that it has nothing at all to do with boxing.

Why are the black fighers not included in "them"? You seem to be saying here that black fighters are less crap than white fighters when discussing a bygone era which is nonsensical.

You have posted footage of Harry Greb goofing of for the camera. I have footage of Ali sparring a giant stuffed gorilla. Shall we judge Ali based upon that?

Do you think this is how Greb really fought? Really?

Why don't you post some footage of Tunney, a master-boxer by absolutley any sensible standard. A bigger man, Greb found a way to beat him despite his wonderful skills.

He looks silly.

I can't imagine him lasting a round with Tunney or Lougran either.

You can judge the greatest resme in the history of boxing based on goofy sparring footage, or the resume plus the film we have of the men he beat.

 

Off the top of my head -

Maxie Rosenbloom - ATG LHW, pure boxings master.
Mickey Walker - ATG WW, MW
Gene Tunney - ATG LHW (#1 candidate), appears on some ATG HW lists
Tiger Flowers - ATG MW
Tommy Gibbons - ATG LHW
Tommy Loughran - ATG LHW
Kid Norfolk - ATG LHW

These are just the ones I can think of, becaus i'm not going to do what you clearly can't be bothered to do, log on to boxrec and check out his wins. And if you don't recognise those names that isn't my fault - take my word for it maybe. Greb arguably has more greats on his win resume than anyone else who ever fough. Top 40 Middleweight?

Top 4 all time p4p is a better question.

Black fighters were indeed treated like ****, as late as the 40's, possibly beyond. If Ali had fought in the 20's he would be regarded as one of the best of all time, just as he is now, just as Wills is now, just as Langford is now, just as Kid Norfolk is now, just as...i think you're getting the point.

Greb fought mostly white fighters, same as most white fighters of his era. He also fought ATG black fighters.

 

There were hundreds of black fighters. Greb fought many of the best of them. Where are you going with this?

But you can see some of them. Is it ok if I judge them?

He is even money at worst against these guys, and I would certainly pick him to beat Hagler and Jones. Hearns is interesting, I pick Greb.

Tiger would beat Greb IMO, Hopkins would have a shot.

I make these picks based on what I do know, which as you've pointed out, isn't much. But it seems to be more than you.

Greb beat more ATG fighters than all the guys you list combined.

 

Fair enough gov. Those are two great fighters.

But Greb is the ultimat pressure fighter and Jones has looked a litte susceptable. Of course, Greb might not have the pure power needed to keep Jones honest.

You pick Hagler to just out-box Greb, what?

 

Some very nice footage apart from anything else.