What is the big hang up with black fighters True Writer? You think white fighters couldnt fight? At that time there were more quality white fighters than black fighters for the simple fact that black fighters made less, had a harder time getting fights, and couldnt go as far. Thus fewer of them entered the game, there were fewer blacks than whites to begin with (thats why they were a minority) and therefore fewer top flight black fighters. You can count the # of top blacks that Greb COULD have fought on one hand and of those he fought as many as anyone else when he didnt have to at all. He could have easily drawn the color line and NEVER faced flowers. Period. As for his resume it stands and the fact that you cant recognize that shows you are either ignorant of those times and the men Greb faced or have an agenda. Im guessing its more than a little of both.
Very accurate rebuttal,I couldnt be arsed to respond to this,he clearly picks his info out of the air ,good job!
I think some here may be underrating Greb who beat Tunny and Loughran who are in my top 15 p4p and Walker who is top 20. Still, without dirty tactics, how good was he?
Probably pretty good. No one likes to face strong, mauling fighters who are tough to hit...especially those fighters who tend to throw a high volume of punches throughout the fights.
So you actually think you can tell from 29 seconds of him throwing fake slow-motion punches to show off his muscles for a camera, 43 seconds of him casually play-sparring, and 23 seconds of him flexing his mucles how he would do in an actual professional fight?
I am not saying white fighters can't fight, not at all. I am merely pointing out that boxing in those days was not really professional as we know it now and black fighters where few and far between. You could argue that only the best black fighters made it but I think the pool to pick form was far far smaller and the better black fighters where forced to fight above their natural weights and often in shoter 10 round fights, for fear of them winning (enabling judges to decide the out come more often). This was the 1900's -1940's. I also think you can not judge a fighter as being the greatest middle weight when their is no fight footage. For all we know he might have beaten bums and drunks his whole career. What we can see from the footage is that next to the like of Hagler, Jones & Hearns the man looked weak!
But we do have footage of many of his key oponents and they clearly are good. So what if he dosnt look good shadow boxing? We can watch fighters he beat and see exactly how good they were.
So you agree that Grebs fought better fighters than in the records of Hagler, Hearns & RJJ - have you got a screw loose? Let me list a few for you - oh and you can actually watch these fights unlike Grebs! Pipino Cuevas Sugar Ray Leonard - top 5 all time Welter Wilfred Benitez Roberto Duran - Greatest ever lightweight p4p top 3 Marvin Hagler - top 3 Middleweight Iran Barkley Virgil Hill James Toney Bernard Hopkins - top 5 middle weight Mike McCallum - greatest light middle ever? Antonio Tarver John Ruiz - Ok thats a joke, but he beat a heavyweight champion. I won't/don't need to name Hagler opponents as I think this already wins the argument.
Gene Tunney-better than any of them Tommy Loughran-better than any of them Mickey Walker-better than any of them Tommy Gibbons-better than any of them And yes all these guys were filmed. Billy Miske-better than any of them Kid Norfolk-better than any of them
I think they looked crude at best. What I am saying is that if you take out one pool of fighters i.e. black fighters then you are left with fewer quality opponents. As I said Cooney would have been one of the greatest ever heavyweights had their been no black fighters around, same with Tommy Morrison.
The only thing missing from the Harry Greb/Thomas Hearns youtube video is Benny Hill music whenever the clips of Greb appear.
For those that have not seen it check out the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xm8Y-pWzIg Get real Hearns would kill Greb!!