Harry Greb top 40 Middleweight?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by True Writer, Oct 24, 2007.


  1. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    What is the big hang up with black fighters True Writer? You think white fighters couldnt fight? At that time there were more quality white fighters than black fighters for the simple fact that black fighters made less, had a harder time getting fights, and couldnt go as far. Thus fewer of them entered the game, there were fewer blacks than whites to begin with (thats why they were a minority) and therefore fewer top flight black fighters. You can count the # of top blacks that Greb COULD have fought on one hand and of those he fought as many as anyone else when he didnt have to at all. He could have easily drawn the color line and NEVER faced flowers. Period. As for his resume it stands and the fact that you cant recognize that shows you are either ignorant of those times and the men Greb faced or have an agenda. Im guessing its more than a little of both.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Very accurate rebuttal,I couldnt be arsed to respond to this,he clearly picks his info out of the air ,good job!
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think some here may be underrating Greb who beat Tunny and Loughran who are in my top 15 p4p and Walker who is top 20.

    Still, without dirty tactics, how good was he?
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably pretty good. No one likes to face strong, mauling fighters who are tough to hit...especially those fighters who tend to throw a high volume of punches throughout the fights.
     
  5. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you actually think you can tell from 29 seconds of him throwing fake slow-motion punches to show off his muscles for a camera, 43 seconds of him casually play-sparring, and 23 seconds of him flexing his mucles how he would do in an actual professional fight?
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Beating them can be debated, but destroying them is just shyte.
     
  7. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    I am not saying white fighters can't fight, not at all. I am merely pointing out that boxing in those days was not really professional as we know it now and black fighters where few and far between. You could argue that only the best black fighters made it but I think the pool to pick form was far far smaller and the better black fighters where forced to fight above their natural weights and often in shoter 10 round fights, for fear of them winning (enabling judges to decide the out come more often). This was the 1900's -1940's.

    I also think you can not judge a fighter as being the greatest middle weight when their is no fight footage. For all we know he might have beaten bums and drunks his whole career. What we can see from the footage is that next to the like of Hagler, Jones & Hearns the man looked weak!
     
  8. janitor

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    But we do have footage of many of his key oponents and they clearly are good.

    So what if he dosnt look good shadow boxing?

    We can watch fighters he beat and see exactly how good they were.
     
  9. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    So you agree that Grebs fought better fighters than in the records of Hagler, Hearns & RJJ - have you got a screw loose? Let me list a few for you - oh and you can actually watch these fights unlike Grebs!

    Pipino Cuevas
    Sugar Ray Leonard - top 5 all time Welter
    Wilfred Benitez
    Roberto Duran - Greatest ever lightweight p4p top 3
    Marvin Hagler - top 3 Middleweight
    Iran Barkley
    Virgil Hill
    James Toney
    Bernard Hopkins - top 5 middle weight
    Mike McCallum - greatest light middle ever?
    Antonio Tarver
    John Ruiz - Ok thats a joke, but he beat a heavyweight champion.

    I won't/don't need to name Hagler opponents as I think this already wins the argument.
     
  10. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Gene Tunney would have beaten all of these fighters you mentioned :good
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Gene Tunney-better than any of them

    Tommy Loughran-better than any of them

    Mickey Walker-better than any of them

    Tommy Gibbons-better than any of them

    And yes all these guys were filmed.

    Billy Miske-better than any of them

    Kid Norfolk-better than any of them
     
  12. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    I think they looked crude at best. What I am saying is that if you take out one pool of fighters i.e. black fighters then you are left with fewer quality opponents. As I said Cooney would have been one of the greatest ever heavyweights had their been no black fighters around, same with Tommy Morrison.
     
  13. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    Tell me you are joking!!! Please.
     
  14. doublesuited

    doublesuited Taylor TKO2 Pavlik Full Member

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    The only thing missing from the Harry Greb/Thomas Hearns youtube video is Benny Hill music whenever the clips of Greb appear.
     
  15. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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