so white fighter are not good :roll: Greb was one of high quality qhite fighters that showed they could compete against black fighters. And let' s not argue that black fighters did not draw the colout line because they did do it at times and that rarely gets mentioned
I am not joking and I doubt that any serious historian would disagree with me. Look at the guys I listed. Look at their resumes and watch film of them.
I don't disagree that some historians would agrre with you, it does not make them right. There is a massive gulf between modern fighters and guys like Greb if you take a step back you can see it. Grebs was one of the better fighters back then but to be honest he was not as good as Tiger Flowers and if he had fought Sam Langford be would have been smashed. For such a great fighter why did he never fight Langford?
because by the time Greb reached the top Langford was old and starting tio go blind, if Greb would have fought him everyone would have said "o look at Harry picking on old men" / /And YOU CAN'T FIGHT EVERYONE, gREB was better then flowers
He could have fought Langford while Langford was in his 30's. Flowers handed Greb a beating 3 times that does not really make sense.
Mate Langford was a rocking chair relic by the time Greb was fighting at a world level. It is better for all concearned that such a mismatch did not take place. It is highly debatable whether Flowers deserved the decision in his last two fights with Greb and even if he did Greb was in decline at this point.
Flowers fought and lost to Langford in 1921-22 or so, he and Greb could have fought in 1920-22 no probs. So mate Langford was no relic by then. Flowers was the same age as Greb and had Grebs number it is a fair comparison for a what if Greb Vs Langford.
what evidence do you have that Greb ducked Langford Please tell us / /Langford started going blind in 1917 after losing to Fred Fulton
Hey - I think we are onto something here! Let me see if I can find a fighter that looks as bad as Greb on a training tape - say like that goofy clip of Jack Johnson twirling his hands in circles... And on the basis of that pick a modern, taller, hard hitting fighter like - Gerry Cooney - to Kill Him in one round!!
hah! Or that Sullivan footage when he's old and derelict twirling his hands. Does anyone care that Greb was also half blind when he fought Flowers? But the writer is correct, of course, by making this into a race issue. White fighters could never hang with blacks or latinos. Just look at the champions 160 and above.
The evidence I have is that they didn't fight each other. Langford fought everyone he could there is no way he ducked Greb, so Greb MUST have ducked him and I can't blame him he would have been mullered.
Langford was technicaly blind when he beat Flowers. He found Flowers suspect chin posibly by a fluke. Would you honestly give Greb any credit for beating a blind fighter? Perhaps you would let Langford have a white stick to make it more even?
Langford was no longer fighting anybody at this point. He wanted no part of Jack Dillon who Greb had beaten for example. Who can blame him he could hardly see his hand in front of his face. Forgett Langford he is a red hering.
Is this video some kind of joke? i nearly fell off my chair watching this video. the guy [greb] was dancing around like michael jackson. the person who made this video should be named and shamed....