Harry Greb vs Bob Satterfield with modern gloves

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  1. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Since there was many "vs" thread I thought I would add this one.
    Greb, had speed and wouldn't let guys set themselves to punch so it was hard to time him. Satterfield threw bombs not all of them in a set position, he would just throw. Greb would find it hard to keep Satterfield off of him especially with big gloves. My feeling is that Greb would shuck and jive and bounce around but get caught by a bomb. Satterfield wasn't a big HW
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Never seen Greb fight so can't comment.
     
  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ck out the training tape that's on youtube of Harry Greb that will give you an idea. Plus knowing what kind of fighter he was. There are countless descriptions of the way he fought. There's enough out there to form an opinion. But if you are of the opinion, that you cant tell anything from a short clip. Go to a boxing gym and show them the tape and they can give an opinion. Watch any fighter that you know and have seen, watch them shadowbox, that's how they fight. Shadow boxing is really fighting an imaginary rival.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Satterfield was a party animal ,he was seldom in top shape, and he would need to be against Harry.Greb runs him out of gas by setting a terrific pace and takes a decision.
    But if Bob lands flush:-(
     
  5. RockyValdez

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    Easy pick. Lamotta was a much cheaper version of Greb and he stopped Satterfield. Satterfield had bad stamina, a bad chin, and if he couldn't hit you or hurt you hed lose. Id pick Greb to beat him 100 times out of 100.
     
  6. mcvey

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    I'm not saying it would change the result ,but when Satterfield lost to Lamotta ,he was 23years old, with 17 fights under his belt ,and scaled under 165lbs. Lamotta was the heavier man. Satterfield hurt Lamotta early on but failed to capitalise on it.

    "Satterfield held LaMotta on even terms in the early rounds, having his best moment in the 4th round, when he "shook LaMotta to his heels" with a right hand. Satterfield did not follow up though, and LaMotta began to take over the bout. In the 6th round, LaMotta chased Satterfield across the ring with a sustained attack. In the 7th, a left to the armpit appeared to stagger LaMotta. Satterfield soon showed signs of weariness, as he dropped his hands, and began to be pounded by LaMotta who landed at will on him. A left hook to the jaw, sent Satterfield to his knees, where he fell on to his back, to be counted out by referee Dave Miller."

    Just observing that these matchups are implicitly prime for prime,and Satterfield was definitely not prime when Lamotta stopped him.
     
  7. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ok, then when was his prime because he lost 30% of his fights, lost badly at every stage of his career, often to smaller fighters, and never came close to beating anyone as good as Greb was in his prime. Im comfortable with picking Greb.

    Of course you are correct, Satterfield wasnt prime, i just dont think it makes a difference. The flaws that lead to getting knocked out by LaMotta were flaws he always had. He was a one trick pony, that trick being a big punch, but if you could absorb that or avoid it, he was nothing specual at all. Bad stamina, mediocre skills, glass jaw. Those are big problems at any stage of your career. If your stamina is wretched you are going to have problems with Greb and LaMotta prime or not.
     
  8. mcvey

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    It was just an observation.I picked Greb myself.
    I think Brennan ,Renault ,Gibbons, and Miske probably beat Beltin Bob
     
  9. klompton2

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    Probably. Renault is tough for me to figure though. He seemed to run very hot and cold and ive wondered if some of his best wins were a matter of being at the right place at the right time. He lost to some guys he should have beat.
     
  10. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    A trickier fight to call than most think, but I think Grebs chin and workrate carry the day.
     
  11. dempsey1234

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    Kr apper, LaMotta punched harder then greb ever did. I disagree that Lamotta was a cheap imitation of Greb, lamotta was a warhorse, two very different styles. Greb's Mexican jumping bean style, throwing bunches of arm punches and like Gene Tunney said Greb's punches were so light it felt like he was pulling them and that was with what 5-6 oz gloves. I believe Greb could've won some and Lamotta some but 100 out of a 100 don't think so. Satterfield, as Mc said was a party animal. That was the reason he tended to fade. Lamotta stopped him when, what round? He went how many rds with Rex Layne. Satterfield tended to shoot his bolt cos he threw hail mary punches, and those tend to tire you out quicker plus he didn't train as he should, but if he hit you he could hurt you. The reason I thought of Satterfield was cos he hit and he just threw punches even if he wasn't set to punch. That was Greb's great thing he didn't allow a guy to get set couple with his speed, to beat Greb you have to catch him. My guess is that Greb might have slapped Satterfield around but if by chance Greb caught a shot, well....
     
  12. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stop hidin' posting under two different alts, stop acting cowardly, I can respect somebody's opinion even yours. But I do kind of agree with your assessment.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think he meant Greb beats Satterfield 100 out of a 100?
     
  14. dempsey1234

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    The nitpicker is back, "mediocre skills, glass jaw", Tommy Gomez didn't stop him. Why are we even discussing his "glass jaw", Greb was a arm puncher? Mediocre skills please, stop worshipping at the shrine of Greb and open your eyes. Yes Greb was great but he could get caught. Think about it like this, Satterfield was a homerun puncher, who tended to load up on his punches and when you do that you are open to be countered that coupled with not training as he should, made him more chinny. Rex Layne wasn't horrible and how many rds did his fight go? According to "many alts", thinking Lamotta who stopped Satterfield in 7 was a better puncher then Layne cos he stopped a rd later. Watch "many alts", jump on that.
    Neither of the HW's that were mentioned Brennan ,Renault ,Gibbons, and Miske had a style similar to Satterfield or could punch as hard. Probably all four would have stopped Satterfield. Cos of his lack of defense, but Greb would have had a harder time with somebody like Satterfield cos Greb could be hit. Another thing "many alts" forgets is when you talk about Satterfield you are talking power.
     
  15. dempsey1234

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    Mc, Yes you are right I meant Satterfield. I believe Greb could've won some and Satterfield some but 100 out of a 100 don't think so.
    A question for you both, who would you say fought and punched as hard as Satterfield, and fought around the 180pd range that Greb fought?