Harry Greb vs Bob Satterfield with modern gloves

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  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    D, anyone can be "hit" as you post, but remember if you will that in about 280 of his last bouts Harry Greb was NEVER stopped EVER though he fought much bigger men than he and took whatever they threw from such punchers as Gunboat smith, Jack [giant killer] Dillon and so many bigger HOFers...Remember you cannot KO what you
    CANNOT HIT...Lest you forget...
     
  2. mcvey

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    Gunboat Smith.
     
  3. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I not saying anything couldn't happen in a fight...especially involving Satterfield. But wouldn't Tommy Gibbons be considered a better boxer and carry a fair amount of power as well...it's not like Greb didn't fight punchers...he did. I'd imagine Tunney cracked pretty good at light heavyweight too...Based on reputation and record...Greb decision for me.
     
  4. RockyValdez

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    Bill Brennan hit every bit as hard as Bob Satterfield. On top of that he has more wins in less fights, less losses and less draws than Satterfield. He also did all of this fighting as a heavyweight primarily against heavyweights his entire career whereas Bob spent half his career fighting as a light heavyweight where he scored more than half of his knockouts. Bill Brennan was a better fighter, had a better chin, better skills, better stamina, and hit every bit as hard as Satterfield and yet he couldn't do a thing with Harry Greb.
     
  5. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The question wasn't asked of me,

    but my answer, if I understand the question, would be

    Bob Foxworth.

    An eye injury ended his career, but he was considered a brutal puncher.
     
  6. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These are your opinions based on stat's, Brennan it seems built his record on knocking out 2nd and 3rd raters. Brennan probably had better skills but so what, Satterfield as a hitter is an all time great. Ranking up there with Shavers, and other dynamite punchers. Greb beat Brennan cos he needed to set himself and was easy to figure out. Satterfield just threw so it was hard to guess where the next bomb was coming from, and that is my point. Greb did well against guys that set themselves before throwing, my question or point is how well would Greb have done with a guy like Satterfield. From what I seen of Brennan he was terrible please watch ya cant say there is no tape on the guy there is.
     
  7. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Bill Brennan hit every bit as hard as Bob Satterfield."

    Who was the top man Brennan KO'd?

    I don't think there is much evidence Brennan was a particularly dangerous puncher at all. Certainly not in Satterfield's class.

    "Brennan was a better fighter, had a better chin, better skills, better stamina, hit every bit as hard as hard as Satterfield"

    It is fair that he had a better chin. It is reasonable that he had better stamina,

    but he didn't beat fighters of the level Satterfield did.

    Also, the argument that Satterfield was somehow lacking in skill is way overdone. He won a decision once from Harold Johnson. He tended to throw caution and skill to the wind, but he could box when he wanted to.

    Stamina is a bit more iffy issue. Satterfield often shorted his training, but he also went the distance quite a bit and won decisions.

    As for punching power, what top men did Brennan stop?

    Satterfield is the type of fighter who could lose to almost anyone on a bad night. He had a weak jaw. He was also the type of fighter who might blow out almost anyone, including for certain Brennan, on a good night.

    *against Greb, I think Greb is the better pick, but Satterfield would bring a more dangerous punch to the table than anyone Greb fought. I think Greb's speed and elusiveness should keep him out of harm's way. Satterfield, like most punchers, actually did better against the big, slow-moving guys.

    But I don't buy the argument that because Greb survived Brennan's punch, no question he survives Satterfield's. I think Chicago Bob is an entirely more dangerous kettle of fish.
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    EM, you might be right but he didn't fight Greb
     
  9. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay.

    Sorry.

    I didn't quite understand the question.

    I think Satterfield was a more dangerous puncher than anyone Greb fought.

    I do pick Harry to avoid getting caught by a big punch, or a few big punches, but I think it is guesswork what would happen if Satterfield did catch up to him.
     
  10. RockyValdez

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    Of course its my opinion. Just like your opinion is yours. That's what was asked and that's what I gave.

    Do you have a better, more scientific, less opinion based way of measuring whether Brennan or anyone else that Greb fought hit harder than Satterfield?

    A better question is who Satterfield ever beat that comes anywhere near Greb in terms of greatness? The best win on Satterfield's record was a close split decision in his hometown over Harold Johnson who was nearly a decade away from winning the light heavyweight title and Johnson twice avenged that loss, once with a quick knockout and the other time by a wide decision. Barring that lone win Satterfield lost, usually in comprehensive fashion, to every fighter he fought that was approaching greatness or championship caliber.
     
  11. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Smith was on his way out, and the 1920 version of Smith had a 6-4-1, 0 ko's. Not the same.
     
  12. RockyValdez

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    :rofl Bill Brennan didn't get the moniker "KO" for nothing. Who were these legends that Satterfield stopped? Not a one. More than half of his knockouts came against light heavyweights. You cant say that about Brennan. Dempsey sure didn't want anymore of his bombs once he got a taste of them in the second round of their second fight.

    When you can come up with a way to compare their punching power let me know. Until then Im sticking with my two picks: Brennan hit as hard as Satterfield and Satterfield would have gotten beat like a drum by Greb. If the only thing you can bring to the table against Greb is your punch then you've already lost the fight.

    No doubt in my mind Brennan had better stamina, he proved it. No doubt in my mind he was more durable, he proved that as well. No doubt in my mind he was a better boxer, he also proved that.

    I don't care if Satterfield could hit harder than Joe Louis and Mike Tyson combined, the fact that his stamina was garbage and his chin was even worse means that hes going to be in big trouble when Greb takes him into deep water and dunks him like a southern Baptist on sunday.
     
  13. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe in all your wisdom, you can understand the question. The question wasn't whether Satterfield beat anybody as great as greb, maybe you should start that thread.
    This is what you do pick things that you know will elicit the answer you are looking for, "duh, he never beat anybody as great as greb", or who Satterfield might have lost to. My opinion is Greb might have beat him but it would have been a more dangerous fight then you think for Greb, again cos Greb couldn't time him or wait til he set himself. This is straight boxing talk no articles, and you still come on with cow patties.
     
  14. RockyValdez

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    You asked for peoples opinions. You literally started this thread asking for peoples opinions on this fight. It seems to me you are the one who is having a problem with the fact that most people didn't give you the opinion you wanted to hear. Deal with it peaches.

    Now who is trying to post threads that they hope will elicit the response they are looking for?:lol:
     
  15. RockyValdez

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    And for the record Im so sorry that my opinion has been formed by reading about and watching the subject and not just pulling an answer out of my hat like you do. Im sorry you take offense to that.