Harry Greb vs Floyd Mayweather jr jr jr

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  1. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He might be slightly bigger, but that's about is. He sure as hell ain't faster than a SRL and he sucks in comparison to them in terms of skill.

    Tunney is a joke in terms of skill compared to boxers like Duran, Hagler, Monzon and SRL.
    Stop being delusional.

    Foreman only won due a lucky punch, not cause he was more skilled. He was out-boxed all night long by a LHW in Moorer.
    Foreman lost to all the good boxers he faced in the 90s and he'd get his arse KO'd if he were to face someone like Lewis or Tyson.

    Turn of the century boxers are not as good as the ones post 1970.
    Achievements wise, Greb is top 5 all time, but prime vs prime, he gets beaten to a pulp by Hagler, Monzon, RJJ, Toney etc.

    Only in your dreams, you're delusional.

    Facts, you chump. Tyson didn't prepare properly, the fact that he was in camp doesn't change that. It's not like he wasn't gonna train at all. But he was poor in camp and was even dropped in sparring by Page. He had to resort to eating soup and salad in order to drop weight. He was doing Japanese hookers instead of being 100% focused on the fight.
    As for your statement about Douglas, it just shows how clueless you are. Douglas was a great HW with solid fundamentals, height and reach. His main issue was his lack of dedication which meant he came in unprepared and overweight for a lot of his fights. Thatall changed vs Tyson, and he came better prepared than ever since he promised his mom on her deathbed that he'd be champion.
    He was beating Tucker until he gassed out. And he was 15 lbs overweight vs Holyfield.

    So you're saying you ain't SerbianLoudMouth ?!?? Cause your posts sure sound similar, you're both over hyping old timers.
    And no, I don't think Tyson is unbeatable, nobody is. What I do think is that a prime Tyson, with Kevin Rooney in his corner, properly motivated and prepared, would pretty much be a nightmare for anyone that ever lived.
    The boxers that would give Tyson the most trouble and that are capable of beating him (it's a 50:50 match) are Lewis, Vitaly, Fury, Liston and Bowe. I have him as favorite vs all the rest.

    Show me some proof Archie Moore said Greb was faster than Calzaghe.
     
  2. White Bomber

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    HORSE****.
    Here's what really happened:
    - SRR was not champion when the fight could have taken place. By the time SRR started making waves as a welter, Burley had already left the welterweight ranks to campaign in the middleweight division. So Burley was never SRR's no. 1 contender after SRR became champ.
    - When the fight could have taken place, it was financial disputes that prevented it. Burley wanted an a bigger purse (almost equal money if I'm not mistaken), which was ridiculous at that time because he wasn't a big crowd drawer.
    SRR was never afraid of Burley, but he had nothing to gain by fighting him and everything to lose, that's why that fight never took place, it was too high risk/low reward.
    Also, even though Burley was good, he still had plenty of losses compared to none for SRR when he became big at welter. Burley lost to Eddie Dolan, Fritzie Zivic, Jimmy Leto, Holman Wiliams, Jimmy Bivens. He drew with Georgie Abrams and Cocoa Kid.

    The boxers that comprised the Murderer's Row were certainly good boxers, but none of them were gonna draw as much spectators and bring in as much money for SRR as fighting known white boxers would. Fights with popular fighters like Lamotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Maxim, Graziano, etc... were way bigger money wise for SRR. Fights with boxers from the Murderer's Row wouldn't have gained him half of that in terms of pay.
     
  3. Man_Machine

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    And?


    Why would Greb/Gans happening in 1926 make anyone uncomfortable on any level? :thinking:


    Sure - Greb definitely fought Allentown Joe Gans in 1926. Well done. :eaea:
     
  4. NoNeck

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    His prime years were not spent fighting relevant black fighters; this is what I pointed out before you piped up. Your platitudes won’t change that.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    Could go with Oscar De La Hoya, but he’s actually taller than Greb.
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK. So, which relevant black fighters, other than Flowers in '24, Norfolk in '21 and Blackburn in '15 did Greb miss in his prime?

    Of those he missed, if any, what made them relevant?

    Moreover, what evidence do you have that any of this "means he avoided them"?
     
  7. Loudon

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    Hilarious.

    One day, you might actually come and have a real debate with us.

    We all live in hope that it will happen at some point.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    A good starting point would be Langford and the guys who Langford was fighting. Ditto the guys Norwalk was fighting.

    The evidence I’m presenting is that Norfolk seems to be the only good black fighter he fought during his prime. A single fight. He seems to, at best, have been complacent in the direction of his career. I’d like to hear it in his words.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

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    Right. So then, you just don't know; you have no evidence and the accusation you have leveled at Greb is utterly baseless. :wave:
     
  10. NoNeck

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    I suggested it due to the course of his career. It’s more Dempsey than Marciano.
     
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  11. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    I thought there was a limit to how low one may sink, but apparently I was wrong. Just how perverse are you ?

    Mcvea and Jeannette were done by the time Greb started making any waves around Light Heavyweight ( let alone Heavyweight itself ) . Langford was already blinded by Fulton and was slowly declining into obscurity, while Greb at the same time was going through several elite fighters across multiple divisions. Wills himself was a 210 lb Heavyweight, that's like Floyd fighting a prime Briedis.

    Which other black fighter was he supposed to fight ? Lee Anderson, who out of his 88 fights, won only 38 and lost 36 ? John Lester Johnson ? Who was losing to just about anyone that was above C Level ?

    He fought Willie Langford in 1918, but I bet you don't even know him, because he wasn't anything special. There was literally no black fighter worthy to face him aside from those who did. Just admit that you're biased and are trying to put Greb down to make your hero look better.
     
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  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: You are laughably awful at this. But, your shtick is very samey, with a low novelty value.

    Have a good day.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    I feel like you’re being disingenuous. Langford was relevant until about 1924. Greb ventured to 175 in the late teens and fought heavyweights not long after. The divisions were shallow back then, so guys jumped around.

    …Jeff Clark, Eddie Palmer, Panama Joe Gans, Lee Anderson….

    Jeanette, Wills, etc shouldn’t have been off the table either. Blackburn later, Flowers earlier, etc.

    That’s some of them.
     
  14. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Most of the Heavyweights Greb fought were Light Heavies that moved up, did well and sometimes fought Greb while they were campaining at HW, not natural ones ( Not all of them, but yeah ). Langford on the other hand was occupied with fighting for the colored title, Greb didn't do anything at the time for the fight to happen. And after the 1910's Sam was a shell with some flashes of his old brilliance here and there, he was relavant only in name. I'll give you Panama Joe Gans, but the rest ? Nah, none of them were any good by the time Greb was in his prime.
    Jeanette and Wills were heavyweights, Jeanette less so but he was ending his career anyway. Blackburn later would have been completely one sided, a green Greb beating him is more impressive. Same with Flowers, a half blind and aging Greb maybe deserving to be 3-0 against him is more impressive than if both were prime.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    You can have your opinions, and I’ll have mine. The guy who fought the best of his era was Mayweather.