Harry Greb vs Fred Fulton

janitor · Jul 9, 2015

I would agree with Klompton, that enough fights took place between the top white and black contenders, that we usually have a pretty good idea about the latter.

At least when there was a standout black contender, it was usually obvious.

mcvey · Jul 9, 2015

SuzieQ49 said: ↑

Great to know...all these posters on here have been claiming for years Fulton was some tall jabber whom used his height and range to outbox smaller guys...glad to know this was just a fallacy
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Wasn't that how he beat Langford?

mcvey · Jul 9, 2015

Mango said: ↑

So because "walking technique" hasnt evolved over the last 100 years... the same must hold true for boxing technique? What a silly idea!
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You've seen Packey McFarland,Jim Driscoll ,Benny Leonard,and their technique is inferior to the 40's?

mcvey · Jul 9, 2015

klompton2 said: ↑

Even if we are ONLY talking about the 20s hes wrong. I take his point to mean that black fighters werent given the chance to mix with white fighters and as such the sport didnt really develop until later when it was more mixed. Thats just not true though. Sure Wills didnt get a shot at Dempsey but he did mix with a lot of other top white fighters. Kid Norfolk didnt get a shot at Levinsky or Carpentier but he did mix with top white fighters and never really showed that he was dominant over them. Siki was black, he got the title, and he was probably one of the least skilled fighters of the era and his impact on boxing technique was non existent. Tiger Flowers became champion and prior to that mixed with plenty of white fighters. Panama Joe Gans was probably the best black welterweight and for a time middleweight of his era and he fought a ton of white fighters, not always winning either. The two best black lightweights were Eddie Dorsey and Leo Johnson, Benny Leonard fought them both in their primes six days apart and knocked them out in 1 and 2 rounds respectively. Chick Suggs was probably the best black LW after them in the 1920s and he fought and lost to a bunch of white fighters all throughout his career. There was plenty of injustice that all of these guys suffered I have no doubt. But simply being black didnt make them better than anyone else and that was proven in the ring multiple times. Something to consider is that boxing has always been a sport driven by poverty. In that era simply by virtue of the fact that blacks were a minority (a much smaller minority group both in numbers and on a percentage basis than today) and a higher percentage of whites (Irish, Jews, Italians, eastern Europeans, etc) were poor and of a much greater majority you are going to see them dominate. Its just a numbers game at that point. You can watch that demographic shift throughout the sports history as it moved from Irish, to Jewish, to Italian, and the with baby boom era as America became ridiculously prosperous (especially for whites) the shift went to african americans and now its going south of the border and over to Europe. In the ring boxing goes where the money isnt, outside of the ring it follows the money. Its always been that way.
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Excellent post!:good Yes, Suzie's sweeping generalization was wide of the mark.

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