Harry Greb vs. Jack Johnson

McVea was 210lb, not sure how that makes him a cruser, Jeanette 200lbs. The Gibbons Bros were LHW and WW/MWs not HWs, Mike has no HW form, Tommy has decent form but less proven than McVea/Jeanette. The only decent 180lbers Greb faced and beat were Brennan and Miske. Miske was the better of the 2 and on numerous ocassionals lost to Norfolk and Levinski

At the end of the day Greb was going life and death with Norfolk, who was wasn't a patch on McVea/Jeanette and was getting rag dolled by the better blk HWs of the era. Greb himself said a 181lb Tunney was too big and strong for him

 

P4P I agree but head to head I would not be so fast to pick Greb over either, especially Jeannette ..

 

No inflation here.Just a ripped fighter.

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Bottomline .
Is Greb a harder hitter than Johnson?
Is Greb a better boxer than Johnson?
Is Greb's chin better than Johnson's [we are talking at top heavy level]?

If the answer to these questions is no .How does Greb win?

On The best day each fighter ever had , both in top condition.

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While agree that Hart was not the fighter any all time great c=should have been forced to fight tooth and nail against in an important bout, he was not the talentless clubfighter you are setting him up as .. Adam's excellent book on Hart details what a tough brawler he was in his day, an Arturo Gatti of his time with a better chin ... he was no pushover ..

 

Greb gives him a good battle but I think Johnson is too strong

 

What is over looked is a key factor, JOhnson's own hand speed and punching accuracy .. No brawler like Dempsey, Johnson was far more like a Tunney but stronger with a better punch ...

 

Jack Dempsey: "“The fastest fighter I ever saw. Hell. Greb is faster than (lightweight champion) Benny Leonard.”

 

Well, I don't think Greb beats Dempsey but he would trouble him as well as he would Johnson, I just think you need serious power when you are fighting the Big boys...forget Grebs size not a factor...Greb had a genius with his style and ability to adjust I just think the difference with Greb and fighters like Langford and Ketchel is that there was a difference in punching power and that could be a deterrent. Greb possessed his own odd style and was a rhythm breaker something that may help him style-wise vs Johnson and Dempsey for rds up to 6 but the strength and size difference would hurt Greb from 6 to 10rds. IMO and those are the rds he would need to get past.

 

Probably not ,seeing as opinions of Grebs style are complete fabrications based on which ever fighter you favor in that debate. If you like Grebs story, he beats Johnson any day of the week. If you like Johnson, theres no way a guy like Greb can be competitive.

 

Go one sentence earlier than the one you underlined and you will find the words "on average". It was an accurate statement.

 

While agree that Hart was not the fighter any all time great c=should have been forced to fight tooth and nail against in an important bout, he was not the talentless clubfighter you are setting him up as .. Adam's excellent book on Hart details what a tough brawler he was in his day, an Arturo Gatti of his time with a better chin ... he was no pushover ..[/quote]

I'm setting him up as? Trawl through my posts ,you will not find
any evaluation of Marvin Hart. Are you confusing me with some one else?

 

Bottom line, prime for prime ,who wins?

 

I think you may have lost your way .the general forum beckons.

 

Let's get down to business .You are gambling your entire financial resources on the outcome of this fight.
Prime for prime, who wins ? Everything else is so much bollocks.

 

I've already answered that.

I didn't have a problem with anyone thinking Johnson would win and still don't. What I challenged was a poster's notion that it wouldn't even be a contest. The whole "slaughtered", "not a snowball's chance in hell" and "blown away" assertions and the whole flawed way he attempted to support his notion. Nothing more.

 

Thanks for your unbiased contribution.:smh