Harry Greb vs Roy Jones Jr.

Jones would win, not just because he has more ability but because of a styles matchup. A man to try out-working Jones would be devastated by quick chopping right hands and left hooks. Jones Jr would feed of this, and Greb would feel his power and be tentative. I wouldn't pick a prime Calzaghe to beat Jones either (Not saying Calzaghe is Greb, but it's the closest comparison).

 

It's a long time since I've watched the fight, but even so I can't say I agree with that. From my recollection, Jones held his own on the inside, but he didn't out-fight Hopkins by any means. It was like Duran/Leonard at times, with Jones more occasional, flashy flurries sometimes getting the better of things, but Hopkins more educated technical work, consistent output and integrated defence and offence usually winning out. (Often Jones' inside work was just a diversion so he could hop off to the side and retain distance while Hopkins was trying to deal with a combination.) Jones was quite easily out-slicking Hopkins on the outside though, and for whatever reason was able to keep the fight at that range long enough to dictate the outcome comfortably. Perhaps Hopkins should have pressured more, though it's better to give Jones credit for controlling the distance appropriately (just liike Duran deserves credit for forcing the fight onto Leonard).

Also, I had Jones winning it wider than most.

 

And as you said earlier, the more aggressive, high-octane style Hopkins employed in those days had a much better chance of getting the better of a Roy Jones than anything rooted in centre-ring craft, even if the latter device did elevate Hopkins to his highest point overall.

 

Nah, Jones would never be good with a swarmer. Problem is you may have to walk through hell to do it. Check out his fight with Castro.

 

I don't generally like playing the "he fought the wrong fight card" as it's almost always to do with the opponent's strengths as you say, but Hopkins did show a tendency in some very early fights to "march in" in a more uneducated way, even when it wasn't on in terms of timing or opportunities, sometimes taking a shot if necessary to walk an opponent down (Randy Smith, Baptist IIRC - again, long time since I've watched these). A much more out-and-out pressure-for-the-sake-of-pressure fighter than somebody who waits for the right moment to close the gap with a counter like a Duran. He certainly didn't do that against Jones. My default position would be to give Jones credit for that, though I do think Hopkins froze a tad in this case.

 

I'll check that. I think you need power if you're going to swarm. Otherwise, you'll be helplessly out-fought.

 

I think Greb would beat him. Yes, it's true, we have no Greb fight footage to judge from, but based on the many articles that I have read and from what I've read from "The Fearless Harry Greb", The Pittsburgh Windmill would be a nightmare for anyone, Jones included. I think Harry was too tough, too hard-chinned and too awkward for Jones. I think Jones would do okay early on, but as the going began to get tough, the Perpetual Motion Machine would get going and be too much for Jones. Greb W 10, somewhat close in rounds ,or Greb W 12, more decisive, or Greb W 15 or 20, clearly!

Someone mentioned Bernard Hopkins as a Greb opponent and I have long felt that out of all of the great former Middleweight World Champions, that B-Hop would have given Greb the closest battle, based on his superb defensive style. I would still pick Harry to win via close decision. If they fought again, I believe Greb would again be the victor, this time a little better. Once Greb found your number, he had no problem dialing it in multiple times in rematches. Harry was a one of a kind warrior in the prize ring. It would really be something special to see Harry Greb fight.

 

I feel robbed. I only came on and read through all 9 pages in hope Pachilles had weighed-in with something typically hilarious. I'm not happy.

As for the match-up, who knows, I've never seen Harry Greb fight. Ever. He could have been the baddest man to ever walk the Earth, he could have been a myth. I'm not into guessing games.

 

pretty horrible thread, don't make matchups where there's no videos of the fighter.......

 

THE absolute worst matchup for monsieur jones from 160-175.
Late stoppage or UD15.
Only 160-168 man i can see living with the 'Grebster' is king carlos,and even then its still GREB UD 15.

 

terrible match up for Jones

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Pac,have you had a relapse? Go take them meds buena!

Lets look at the quality of opponents beat? And the manner of losses.

Greb is not the loch ness monster folks. Its bona fide that he beat atgs who WERE televised and look great.....

Do you believe in rosa parks' activites PAC? Cos i is not seen dem on youtube!

 

There is nothing to suggest that is the case. Greb was incredibly durable too, he certainly absorbed 300 fights worth of punishment and only got stopped twice in his entire career, in the first year of his entry into the fight game. He walked through a lot of punishment or moved away from it with a quickness that has to rival Jones in terms of speed. Dempsey said from first hand experience that he was faster than Benny Leonard.

 

I can't understand how someone can honestly critique how a fighter would do in a h2h matchup without seeing him firsthand. Its the equivalent of someone saying Mozart or Bach were greater improvisational geniuses than Charlie Parker or Art Tatum, how are you going to honestly argue that point besides going on what others said?

I imagine if I listened only to what journalists said abot Roy jones Jr. He'd be an invincible leviathan as well. I know had I not seen his speed myself I wouldn't believe it.