Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

You are going to find this hard because
it is not a trait you possess , but I do not lie.
I have no interest in your opinions whatsoever , I just correct your bullsh*t.
You went off on a hysterical diatribe.
You wet your knickers because you can't read and digest a simple sentence, and thought you had something to embarrass me with.
You are the poster whom I have challenged multiple times to produce ONE LIE I have made on this forum.

You are the one who diverted the course of this thread.

Actually I see no point in continuing it because the man who has the burden of proof on his shoulders will not step up to the plate and do so ,and without that proof we have nothing to talk about imo. This thread has educated no one , informed no one, its just a lot of stone walling , all it has done is illustrate that you can't read ,and we knew that already.

 

I find it funny how you still respond to Mendoza but give me the silent treatment

 

I find it illuminating that you believed him immediately, without reservation, when he made his unfounded accusation about my probity. You certainly have more in common with each other than either of you have with me.

 

I'm sorry what did I believe? I am confused :huh

 

You sure are.

 

I have looked at and studied the film you just posted.

Look at the attire of those at ringside, it is clear that it is a private fight and they are a gathering of newspaper men and influential boxing figures.

I think from their attire it is clearly around the 1916 period and you can tell from the white spot on the wall that this is clearly the boxing premises at Goshen New York.

The fellow on the ground is clearly former World Title challenger Fred Fulton.

I cant make out the other fellow, sorry, but i think he is clearly boxing at half pace, and is looking out to the crowd and winking as if to say i bet a few people look silly when this footage comes out on the 100th aniversary of this fight in 2016.

I have had the above post confirmed by a few Australian Crime Commission officers (since we all know they are much better trained and more advanced than the FBI). I am sure some valid historians like Bobby Sinn, Greg luland and sally winder will back me up. I cant seem to find Frankenfrank or Revolver to put the issue beyond doubt, but they will come.

I heard Mendoza might dispute the claims because of the mark on Darcy's face, but this could have been easily caused the night before when he knocked out a grizzly bear and carried him over his shoulders back to the camp. I know McVey and Klompton think the mark cant be seen but even i have to admit that their is a clear purple mark on the film. it cant be argued, film doesnt lie.

I also spoke to several unnamed respected members of IBRO who can say for certain it is darcy and fulton because of their distinct styles, although neither had actually seen fight footage of either, they do have a good and reliable imagination. Admittedly one is a used car salesman and the other a bank robber by trade, but they are honest ones, because IBRO hs the tightest security around in relation to restriction of their membership. I dont think this is disputed is it.

I am a little disspointed that McGrain has been trying to ban people just so he can get first option on the $100,000 purchase price for the film, but i have spoken to the owner and he wont be dropping the price for anyone, no matter how many esb mod style favours you pull for him. I must admit though, i think he might be tempted if you managed to ban that ****wit that keeps moving posts and banning posters yet doesnt even post in this forum himself.

ps
I really felt Duran deserved a mention on this thread but didnt know how to work it in. Maybe i am wrong?

 

Umm now I am confused... the standing guy in Klomptons photo is black... Darcy was white..... but yeah... Darcy belted Fulton.... are you talking about another photo ?

 

It amazes me how any thread can escalate so quickly.

Well actually it doesn't, after 6 years nothing really changes.

Poster A starts a thread, Mendoza or Mcvey gives an opinion, Mendoza or Mcvey disagrees.

It ends up with the two bringing up ten year old arguments, Mendoza fails to grasp simple points, Mcvey gets furious, rinse and repeat.

 

You guys!

 

Mystery solved?
The mark on Darcy's face is actually one of the Grizzly's claws embedded in his skin.
Upon Darcy's death it was removed and ended up on Willus Britt's,[ manager of Stan Ketchel,] watch chain , when asked about it Britt would solemnly aver it was one of Stanley Ketchel's teeth ,which had been dislodged by Jack Johnson ,who himself beat up on a grizzly bear, a Californian one.
Ketchel's teeth were indeed dislodged but they became embedded in the referee, Jack Welsh's foot when he trod on them whilst in the process of counting Stanley out.
The teeth were never removed and in the Johnson v Willard fight, which Welsh later refereed, they can clearly be seen poking out of the front of Welsh's right shoe. all this has been verified by,respected members of the Purple Gang of Detroit ,and independent experts such as Moe Green, Hyman Roth,Frankie Pentangeli,JohnnyOla and the Rosato brothers,all of the above's reputations are impeccable and beyond reproach

Caveat Emptor ,the film was directed by Georges Melies famous for his spoof films.

 

You know I haven't been on here much lately but I've been laid up this week with the flu and spending my time on the forums. this ones been a tonic.

 

Get well soon pal!:good

 

:good

 

ummmmmm whaaa ????? ummmmmmm what ?
Is this the same story as when Les Darcy beat George Washinton to that apple and when Darcy beat Ghenghis Khan in that famous fistfight ?

 

This thread is a mess. What a shame. I had 30 minute conversation with Kurt. He came across as as a pleasant fellow, and granted me permission to see the film for myself.

Above and beyond that he said he could confirm rare films out there for me and offered some additional boxing resources which I choose to hold as private.

The mix up with Bill Tate was a clerical error from the person who cataloged the fight ( He has well over 10,000 films ), because that is how the film was labeled from the deceased person he purchased it from. Not every fight film collector is an expert on verifying the unknown. In the world of Art, famous paintings are often mistaken for something else. I see no reason why boxing films are different. So an initial mistake was made here, however a law enforcement video professional said many things matched up. Several IBRO , a boxing film collector and a well know boxing writer all say its Greb. These people are not going to put their names on this to pull legs.

Kurt also says the film is much clearer than the still shot photos posted on his website. Rounds 6 ( The punch that badly hurt Greb ) 7, 8, 9 and 10 are show in a two minute format. As for how Greb looks I'm not going to say what was mentioned as it was a private conversation.

I recommended he try to match the stadium on another film, and engage Kevin Smith to further help identify Panama Joe Gans.