Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

I have a issue with your quote. You should have mentioned it much earlier. When I asked you who showed you Kurt's film or where did you buy it, you did not reply several times.

Now you're saying oh I owned the same thing? Rather convenient of you to say this on the 11th hour and its a non-verifiable way of allowing you to comment.

You won't say where you got it or who showed it to you because you never saw the film we are talking about it and by listing names ( of who you purchased it from or who showed it to you ) you risk exposure of not bing truthful. So you say I had it all along. That's what I think.

The funny thing is people I spoke to or communicated with flat out say you never saw the film. And many have put their names on it saying it was Greb.

Having said that you can help here if you choose. Suppose it is Greb vs. someone else ( Not Panama Joe Gans ). Which other lanky African American boxer did Greb fight that matches all the criteria examined in addition to the day night part?

 

Originally Posted by Surf-Bat

No, I don't recall ever seeing it. Just stills. But I was inquiring about it to several people earlier this year.

Lufcrazy, I sent him a PM with names who said he saw it.

 

Because I dont owe you anything. You are a moron. Its not important whether I saw the footage or where I got it. The only thing that matters is the footage itself. Has anything Ive said about that footage to date been incorrect? No!

Again, it doesnt matter. Im not the one making some outlandish claims about the footage. You can either believe me or not. If you choose not to it doesnt change the discussion one bit. The burden of proof is on Kurt and by extension YOU since you seem to be more willing to argue this point than he is.

There you go thinking again... Are you ****ed in the head. I did name names and again, it doesnt ****ing matter. You arent going to turn this around on me because whether you believe Ive seen the footage or not doesnt change the fact that your boy is lying ****ing con man and by extension so are you because youve taken up his cause and now your dumbass has already been proven wrong about the time in which the fight was held and one of the sources you put so much faith into. Im not the one whose footing is eroding under him even as he continues to argue a lost cause.

I would love to hear about these people who know so much about me and my collection. Can anyone anywhere in the world honestly come on here and say they know what I have in my collection or what Ive seen or havent seen? No. Not even the people Im closest to. And frankly, it wouldnt matter anyway because how they know if Ive seen some unidentified, meaningless ten minute clip of training footage? Do you really think I have so little to do and so few other things of interest to discuss with my friends that I would call one up (and I seriously doubt youve talked to any of my acquintances because they would back me up 100% on this) "Hey buddy, I got a VHS tape (a decade ago) and it was full of training footage. Among all of the title training footage of guys like Louis, Galento, JH Lewis, Baer, Carnera, Sharkey, etc was a clip I didnt recognize. Isnt that fascinating. Lets discuss?" Yeah. Right. Its a throwaway clip. When you want to tell me who you think knows what Ive seen and what I havent feel free but like everything else Im sure you dont want to name names. Hilarious. As if some ****ing moron Ive never met is going to know for a fact that out of 1000s of clips and fights I own I havent seen this one...

I dont suppose its Greb because it isnt. But lets take your supposition at face value. Lets suppose its Greb and match that with the supposed criteria you set forth: We know Greb only fought a handful of black fighters. We know its not Tiger Flowers because he was a lefty and this fighter is a right. We know it wasnt Kid Norfolk because Norfolk was shorter and stockier and fought with a knee brace. We know it isnt Jack Blackburn or Willie Langford because those fights were held indoors and we know it wasnt Allentown Joe Gans because that fight was held at night. We know it wasnt Bill Tate because Greb never sparred Tate. So by process of elimination it isnt Greb. See how easy that was.

Were these the same uber reliable sources that said I havent seen it?? If so do me the same courtesy and send me a message telling me who seems to know so much about me and my collection. Didnt think so.

 

Easily done

 

How weird is it that this guy cannot be embarrassed, or shamed ? He just continues on his merry way, acting as if he has a reputation for sterling credibility when in fact he is generally recognized as a pathological liar.

 

The S**** Iron Johnson of the Classic.

 

Unfortunately no.

 

I'd love it if Mendoza and Mcvey were the same poster and the ultimate troll

 

I've got 4 names on here there's *****and ******* and ***

 

Id love to see both of them, but yes Kelly would be interesting and tell us a little more about Ketchel and Papke.

 

Yes it is important. You are making a call on something you have not seen. That is moronic. I guess the I don't owe you anything can be applied to numerous things for you. But if you had a worthless film, why not post it and prove me wrong?

The funny thing is those who saw agree with your arch nemesis

If that is all the black fighters Greb meet, than so be it. But those who saw the film say its Gans, and the fighter in the still shots show looks like Gans. I was simply asking if it could be someone else.

I have sent you PM's before. You choose not to reply. What's in it for me if I show you email from a respected 3rd party that clearly states

YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM.​

I'm willing to bet you a permanent ESB ban I can produce this email that says you have not seen it, even if in your mind it doesn't prove anything!

So are we on Mr.Compton? Let me know and will pick a third party for the email.

 

How are you Boucher?

 

Does anyone else find this comment ironic considering Mendoza hasnt seen this film and yet has argued until his face is blue for its validity even in spite of several of his contentions being blown to smithereens... Who is moronic?

Why not just have Kurt answer all of those questions I posed. Again, the burden of proof is on him. If I have or havent seen the film doesnt change this discussion one bit. Period.

Kurt wishes he was my arch nemesis. If he ever got off his skinny ass and actually tried to do something worth while other than selling counterfeit films he might have more of a reputation than a charlatan. A perfect example is when a mutual acquaintance founded the hall of fame in Minnesota. Kurt approached him outraged that he didnt invite Kurt to be the director. Kurt went on long and loud about how he had been around for 35 years and was THE EXPERT on twin cities boxing. Our friend answered Kurt with a very simple question: "Kurt, you say youve been around for 35 years. Why didnt you found a hall of fame?" Kurt didnt have much answer for that. And as for those who "agree" one that youve named denies it, another "agreed" because its what he "imagined" Greb to look like. Nobody. NOBODY, would identify a film as such. Anyone who considers himself an expert in either film or boxing or both and answers as such is simply flattering himself. Real experts have real experience and real training. What is Silver's degree in? How much actual film has he worked with? How many films has he found or identified? Im sorry but simply having watched a lot of old boxing matches on TV and then calling yourself an expert is like me watching a lot of movies on Bluray and then calling myself a director with no practical knowledge of lenses, gels, framing, composition, etc. Simply paying a quarterly fee to IBRO doesnt make you an expert on anything, not even boxing.

They say its Gans? Really? Based on what? How many photos of Gans have they seen? How much film footage of Gans have they seen? They can take a poor quality VHS tape and tell me that it looks like Gans? Thats hilarious. It looks like any number of african american fighters. What exactly makes them so sure it looks like Gans? Thats funny because I think it looks like Ayube Kalule, who is to say they are more right than I am? In reality they dont know who it is.

Youve sen me PMs detailing who told you what I have in my collection and more importantly what Ive SEEN?? No. No you havent. Who are these so called experts on what Ive seen?

Again, I dont give a **** what one of your so-called respected third partys have said. I think its already been illustrated how reliable your sources are: not at all. You may very well have an email from someone saying I havent seen this footage but that doesnt make it a fact, and again, Im not going to be deflected by you away from the point which is that this film is not Greb. Its fake. Kurt knew it wasnt Greb just like he knew it wasnt Greb-Tate, or that he knows his footage of Dempsey-Tillie Kid Herman wasnt Dempsey Greb, or also like he knew his footage of Dempsey-Malone wasnt Dempsey-Greb. Thats the guy youve put all of your faith in: A thrice proven fraud. Have fun fighting that fight. I think its already made you look much worse than you already did and you were already considered one of our pet racist nutjobs who twists and lies in order to try to formulate a reality that never existed anywhere but in your own mind.

Go ahead and post it. I want to know who thinks they know so much about me and my collection. Even Tony Fosco, who I partnered with for years on researching, purchasing, and restoring footage didnt know everything I had or had seen, neither do any of the people I am closest to. So you tell me how producing an email from ANYONE is going to prove I havent seen and then tell me exactly how that is germane to the argument at hand?

And while you are at it maybe you can answer the numerous questions I have posed you/Kurt and also dig up a photo from 1926 or earlier of a night fight that looks even remotely like the film you think was somehow shot at night but is clearly shot in the daytime.

Does anyone else reading this even believe looking at those stills believe it could have possibly been shot at night? Do you think that actually viewing the film is going to tell you any more than those photos already do to debunk this story?? Especially in light of Kurt's history of "uncovering" fake Greb fights??