Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

Do you know how many photos show up on ebay of guys who "look like Harry Greb" and are priced accordingly but arent Harry Greb? I see it all the time.

You may rather hear a lecture on what Greb looks like more than on things that really matter like whether this could actually have been filmed during Greb's lifetime, or whether it was actually a film of the fight they say it was, but why should we ignore those things. You seem to want to ignore that this film was first advertised (for several months) as Greb-Tate by a guy who considers himself "THE EXPERT" on boxing. I have to assume that he knows what Greb looks like and I have to assume that he knows what Tate looks like. Especially seeing as how he has actual footage of both listed on his website. If hes so good at determining that this guy looks like Greb how come his vision was so skewed about Tate who was massive compared to Gans??? Then he only changes it when he gets called out on it and now its Greb-Gans, which wasnt filmed, wasnt held during the daytime, etc etc. Ive already said I dont even think its from the 20s. Ive also said I dont think you can accurately determine what the white looks like because the quality of the film is poor. You keep ignoring that this guy clearly realizes anything associated with Greb goes for a premium. Hes traded on this several times. Suddenly he "finds" a Greb-Tate film and then just as suddenly its a "Greb-Gans" film?? After he misidentified Tillie Kid Herman as Greb (and that film was a lot clearer and closer up). And that was after he misidentified Jock Malone as Greb. Come on man, get real. Thats just ignorant. Im not that stupid. I dont WANT this so bad that I imagine thats what it is. Thats what this joker banks on. If you want to throw out all evidence to the contrary and pretend this is Greb vs somebody else then by all means go buy it. Do the guy a favor and give him your vote of confidence. Its not and I seriously doubt you or Mendoza would put your money where your heart is.

 

Lol. If I had some idea that IT IS Greb do you think Id have wasted my time with all of this??

How many times do I have to repeat myself?? You keep using the Ali ****ogy. If you had a fight of Ali that mislabled as Holyfield youd be able to tell right? I mean, even it was blurry you would be able to tell by the production right? Well, you can tell by this film that its not from the same era which is why I keep demanding to see an edge code which Kurt doesnt have because even though he says he has the film he doesnt. The film would have an edge code and it would date this. I would bet cash money that the edge code would date it to no earlier than the 1930s.

You seem to want to give this story the benefit of every doubt. Unfortunately life doesnt work like that. Ever hear of Occams Razor? This film fails every test. The only way you can come to the conclusion that this is Greb is to allow it every single assumption and even then the facts just dont jive.

 

I'm not "ignoring" anything. I heard everything you said about the guy. I had one dealing with him more than 20 years ago and didn't care for him, either.

I'm certainly not going to buy anything from him and I'm not giving anyone a vote of confidence.

But this discussion is all about the peripheral stuff - the look of his opponent, look of the crowd, the location, the way "the light is casting shadows" ... for God's sake. (Talk about Occam's razor).

The question isn't who is the opponent, where are they fighting, and what time of day is the fight taking place ... the question is IS ONE OF THE FIGHTERS in THE FILM HARRY GREB?

If the edge code said it was from the 1920s, then what?

All I'm saying is forget that for a moment and just tell us what the guy WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE GREB fought like and why you (who everyone feels is an expert on that fighter) believe it IS NOT him.

If you don't think it's him at all ... WHY? What about THE FIGHTER leads you to believe it's not him?

I asked you if he looked like Greb, you said that's "pointless."

Does that mean he DOES look like Greb?

If he looked like Tony Galento instead, I'm sure you'd just come out and say he looks absolutely NOTHING like Greb. He looks like Tony Galento.

We've all seen Greb's training and shadowboxing and sparring with his trainer footage. Did the guy in the film FIGHT AT ALL LIKE THE REAL GREB?

If he fought NOTHING like that, can you just say "he didn't fight at all in the ring like Greb looked when he trained."

You know ... actual stuff about the fellow in the film and not what the temperature might have been that day.:roll:

You have argued for a week or more about the opponent and the location and time of day and temperature ... and what a bad guy the seller is.

When I simply asked what the guy who is supposed to be Greb looked like and fought like and what about him makes you think it isn't Greb, you dismissed it as pointless.

Those aren't "pointless" questions. That's the WHOLE POINT.

If you don't think it's him, what about the footage leads you to believe that?

You seem to be basing your decision on EVERYTHING BUT the guy in the film who is supposed to be Greb.

You have said here you have more photos of Greb than just about anyone in the world. You've written a 700-page book about him. You spent years researching him.

How did the fighter look or what did the fighter do in the film that film that leads you to believe it's not Greb?

Nobody cares who the guy is he's fighting. Nobody cares where they are fighting. Nobody cares what time of day it is.

Why do you think that is or isn't Harry Greb?

 

Klompton might know more about Greb than anyone in the world. His opinion means a lot here. However, I have to ask putting your history aside with Kurt(whom you claim is a fraud)...what are the chances that film could be of Greb?

Let's say the day/nighttime argument rules out it was Greb vs Gans.

Could that still be Greb in there, vs a different opponent?

Klompton can you put your differences aside with this Kurt, and get to the bottom of this, for the boxing community? We are counting on you to confirm this for us.

I just want to make sure you are 100% confident that is not Greb with no biases involved

 

If I saw a film of Ali and Holyfield, I wouldn't need an edge code to tell me who was who.

If you need an edge code to date the film ... then that leads me to believe the guy looks just like Greb ... and he probably fights in the film like Greb sparred in his training footage.

If he looks nothing like Greb and fights nothing like Greb, just say so.

Otherwise, your silence is deafening.

 

Exactly. If he can't be sure because he hasn't seen the original film, fine.

But if the date is in the 1920s, how else do you determine it is or isn't Greb?

What the guy looks like and how he fights certainly is a major factor.

If the guy who was supposed to be Greb looked like Tommy Morrison, you don't need an edge code to tell me it's not Greb.

 

These requests sound outrageous, in my opinion. It's like if somebody found a photo from, say, Australia, where somebody looks like me and requested that I prove that's not me. Forget that I've never been in Australia, I would have to prove that he walks differently, speaks differently, wears clothes I'd never put on, etc.

 

It is stupid. How many times and how many ways do i have to say that no this isnt Greb. How many times do i have to illustrate that the film is so poor you couldnt positively identify WHO it is, hence the need to use actual facts, not just base it on looks, which can be deceptive even in high quality films as ive illustrated.

 

Got it. That's all I wanted to hear. :good

 

http://youtu.be/KX5jNnDMfxA

Explaining the film's chances of being Greb to the Film believers.

 

Thank you

 

It has been shown many times during this thread that it cannot be Greb.

People want it to be so much, but it just doesn't make it so.

 

Could that be Greb on the left? Can't see his nipples as he's wearing a shirt, but his eyes ears, and nose are in the same places Greb's were so 50/50?

 

Who are the boxers in this film you're all talking about ?

 

One is Greb, forget who the other one is, forget it's someone Greb never fought, it must be Greb because the blurry pictures show a stocky rough white guy