Harry Wills fought 43 fights from 1919 to 1925 who really had a chance

You are so confused. I never said anyone who held an opinion different than me about what constitutes a journeyman is wrong. YOU said that MY opinion about what constituted a journeyman is wrong.

You are "bouncing up and down" about it. I'm just flummoxed as to your intensely passionate defence of the position and insistence that one of the best fighters of his era (by division) is one.

 

I've accepted that it's only an opinion - what else would I think it is? I think someone with the opinion that the earth is flat is bonkers, i think that someone who thinks that black people are inferior is bonkers, i think that someone who thinks the sun orbits the earth, is bonkers. These are all opinions - they remain bonkers even after i've accepted that they are opinions, which I accept the moment that they are uttered - why wouldn't i??

And I think that your opinion that Wills was a journeyman boxer, is bonkers.

You seem to be saying you want to stop talking about it - go ahead.

 

This is the source of every single debate ever had on any internet forum anywhere. I'm not worked up.

I'm not "spinning it to my liking", i'm just saying what I think. I think that labelling the #4 fighter in the world in a given division a journeyman is ridiculous. If you want the discussion to end, just stop talking about it; if you want to talk about it, continue to post. This is how an internet forum works.

We disagree; hence, debate.

It doesn't bother me; i'm just stating that I disagree.

Exactly - but when I express my thoughts, you accuse me of "being bothered", being "worked up", "spinning it to my liking" and tell me over and over again that it's "just your opinion." I know that.

Now, you stop talking about it if you don't want to talk about it any more, or keep talking about it if you want to continue talking about it.

You made, I think, four responses to the last post I made last night - not one, four. Stop pretending that I'm frantically hounding you about "your opinion" like i'm the only one in the discussion, it's preposterous.

 

You are going on and on about it.

On and on and on.

Whether or not you do is up to you.

I have no feelings about the matter either way.

It's no "big thing" to me either, and that you keep insisting that it is seems odd.

I've already explained this to you. Why are you asking me this?

I already said that; you said, something like 2 posts ago, that "i don't know and can't accept that it's only an opinion." I illustrated to you that this was a ridiculous thing to say, and why. Of ocurse I know and accept that it's only an opinion. What else would I think it was?

This is the third or fourth time I've explained this to you. I KNOW it's only an opinion. Please try to remember this.

 

It's all very weird.

 

You're not wrong in doing so, but you seem to think i am - it seems very much like you want ME to stop posting on this topic - that is nothing to do with you. If YOU want to stop discussing it because it's not worth talking about, YOU can do that. But what you can't do, is get me to stop posting about it. That has nothing to do with you.

If YOU want to stop discussing it you can - at any time. When I stop, is entirely up to me.

Could have been four, could have been three, and I already told you where it was.

You said:

Now you're trying to move the goalposts to their first title fights (which each lost). YOU set the framework here, and now you're trying to change it because it suits you better.

I answered your question. If you want to ask a different one, i'll give a different answer. But don't move the goalposts, you will be caught.