Harry Wills fought 43 fights from 1919 to 1925 who really had a chance

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  1. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Multiple writers expressed their opinion that Wills failed to follow up his advantage or that he lacked the punch and that was the reason why Firpo escaped after the knockdown, and not because he was cautious in that situation. Experienced reporters who were sitting at ringside, but saw it differently.
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe it's cos I've dealt with reporters and writers and know they have space to fill, and always looking for angles to add zip to their stories. If you understand this and take what they write with a grain of salt, things might be clearer

    I have one question were the fan's told that this fight was really a paid sparring session,? Where the fighters had handcuffs on and this was known by the press and everybody involved before the fight, as they were told in this article after the fact? It seems to me a bunch of excuses why the fight didn't live up to everybodies expectations.
    Bottomline Firpo couldn't and wills wouldn't. I would venture to say there were knockouts and knockdowns in fights all over
    Jersey before and after this fight.
     
  3. Senya13

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    That's why he had a column called "boxing gossip", he was gathering pieces of information here and there, or expressing his opinion about this and that. But where there's smoke, there's fire, as I see it.

    Firpo had legal troubles at the time, and when reformers (representing five organizations) failed in their attempt to prevent the fight, they might have chosen a different strategy to cause troubles.
     
  4. dempsey1234

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    Watch the clip, reporters are not the experts you seem to think they are. Even now where reporters come from all parts of the world, there are that many versions of what happened.
    Ck the tape cos it's also in slo-mo, Firpo gets up and throws a hail mary right, then Firpo grabbed and held, why do you think that was? He was hurt, and to survive he grabbed onto Wills and held him tight giving Wills no punching room. Wills it seems needed the right distance to deliver his shots. Wills lack of a proper jab and movement really shows in this fight.
     
  5. dempsey1234

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    That is speculation what went on the ring, is what actually happened. I can imagine what people would say if there was no available footage.
     
  6. dempsey1234

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    The best quote of the fight, from the article, was this:

    "Taking it by and large, it was the sorriest contest for a top price of $27.50, including war tax of 10% that was ever staged, or probably ever will be staged.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Why would Wills ,who was trying to force Dempsey into a fight take a show case match with Firpo with all the accompanying publicity and hoo- ha it engendered, and then proceed to put the cuffs on?:huh
    It doesn't ring for me.:-(
     
  8. Seamus

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    Were those accusations made against Wills under oath at a trial?
     
  9. Seamus

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    Over a year before Wills said that just such propositions were the only fights against decent opponents being offered him. Perhaps he thought it best to play along in hopes of a title shot.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, and withdrawn under questioning and Wills was totally exonerated of all charges!

    The truth will out!
     
  11. dempsey1234

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    There ya go Senya, a reputable writer, and he saw no foul, when it's plain as day he hit Firpo on the break and in slo-mo.
    To be fair he probably was sitting on the other side of the ring or something.
    As I've said in the past, read these articles with at least a grain of salt. Use them as a basis for more info not to prove it was a fact. Just cos they wrote it or that it was in print, makes it a fact, it's their opinion, the only fact is Wills won and Firpo lost.
     
  12. mcvey

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    So he went into an eliminator for the title with the intention of not giving of his best? Is that right or wrong?

    How about when he was having fights against fellow blacks that were ruled no contests ,and both he and his opponent were slung out for defrauding the paying public by not trying ?

    What did he say was his "raison d'etre," [ see we can all use them high falutin words,] for that?
     
  13. Seamus

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    I am telling you what he said, a possible reason to explain some of his queen performances. In the end, he was claiming to be going broke waiting for a title shot, so it might have been a case of all options being open.

    Hell, if Dempsey was KOing Morris despite missing his chin by a foot, perhaps Wills was involved in some dirty work... thems were the times.
     
  14. dempsey1234

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    Not being a smarta$$ but what Morris did should have no bearing on Dempsey.
    Wills fought often in "them times", if lets say he made 2k per fight that would be around 86k, back in those days very, very few people were making 12+k a yr and that's what that figure comes out to, and we know he made much more, so how was he
    broke? Just askin'?
     
  15. Perry

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    $12000 in 1924 is $164,000 in today's dollars. A nice living.