Harry Wills The Champion

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I bought an old record from about 1925 or 1926 a while back called "Harry Wills The Champion" which intrigued me. I finally got around to listening to it and its pretty interesting. Its kind of an early blues song:



    Harry Wills The Champion

    Theres a man in New York town
    He is big and he is brown
    With his left hand and his right
    He is mighty in a fight
    To the Jacks and to the Jills
    He is known as Harry Wills
    Fighters all and friends that meet him
    Know darn well they cannot beat him

    Harry though they draw the color line
    Youre the champion just the same
    The way they all fuss and stall
    Is a doggone measely shame
    Everybody knows what you would do
    Would be too bad when you got through
    Harry though they draw the color line
    Youre champion just the same

    Now when he lived in new orleans
    Just a lad folks out of his jeans
    Harry Wills then took a test
    Beat down black folks at his best
    Since that day no black or white
    Has he been afraid to fight
    For a title bout they all avoid him
    Managers all refused to start him

    Harry though they draw the color line
    Your a champion just the same
    The way the all fuss and stall
    Is a doggone measley shame
    sure is

    Everybody Harry Wills knocks folks out to pay his bills
    Harry though they draw the color line
    Your the champion just the same
    Now Harry though they draw the color line
    Your a champion just the same
    The way the all fuss and stall
    Is a doggone measley shame

    Now folks I dont know
    Just what he got
    But what that man got is an awful lot
    Harry though they draw the color line
    Your the champion just the same
     
  2. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know why we consider some random alphabet guys champions but not guys like Wills, etc.
     
  3. Boggle

    Boggle Grozny State Of Mind Full Member

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    Not bad, not bad at all, but it doesn't quite have the panache of that song about Boston Tom McMustache.
     
  4. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    can you put a recording of it online?
     
  5. Gr8Mandingo

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    That's pretty awesome, you don't know who it is?
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You could certainly make a case for the Coloured Heavyweight Title that Wills held, being worth more than one of the contemporary alphabet straps.

    Not at many stages, but certainly when wills held it.
     
  7. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which artist made the recording about Harry Wills? If a record containing the recording was released commercially, which record company released it? Of course, the American race record business did quite well during the 1920s before taking a big hit due to the advent of the Great Depression.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Bradford, Horsley, and Howell. 1926. Columbia 14168-D.


    This gives you a rough idea but is watermarked by a voiceover through most of it:

    http://soundbeat.org/mobile/?episode=6780
     
  9. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks, it appears that the record was released during the same year as Harry Wills' loss on a foul to Jack Sharkey, which resulted in Wills being removed from the top contender ranks. That must've put a damper on the potential sales of the record.

    I had wondered if the Harry Wills record was made for Paramount or Vocalion, two companies which were noted for their race records during the 1920s. However, the recording conditions and the quality of the record pressings generally were terrible at both companies, especially at Paramount. On the other hand, Columbia, which released the Harry Wills record, was much better when it came to recording conditions and the quality of record pressings.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  10. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats my point with Les Darcy EXACTLY he even had a belt just like the WBC, WBA or IBF yet the author of the thread dares to say he ain't a champ.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT... not only that but the so called "real" title was held by a guy who lost fight after fight after fight after fight even in so called defences but there can only be one champion ???? fact is it was rarely ever the case that there was just one champ, not in the 30's, 40's, 60's hell multiple champs has ALWAYS BEEN THE NORM.
     
  11. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Being a bluesman myself (I play and sing the old blues, I am a fingerpicker) I would love to hear the song. Not many blues were recorded about fighter, Joe Louis had two recorded by the Great Memphis Minnie.
     
  12. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are right about Paramount which is a damn shame as I believe Paramount had maybe the greatest lineup of musicians in music history, even a glance at the lineup leaves me speechless and in awe. Blind Blake, Charlie Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Son House and King Solomon Hill to name just 5, you gotta go far to find better guitarists then those guys anywhere at any time.