Has any boxer ever gotten more credibility for defeating recently beaten fighters...?

If you feel this way then once he beats marquez the follow up win will silence people who feel the same I think, its either floyd/ortiz winner or bradley. hatton was the man at 140 by the way

 

Pacquiao will get no credit at all for beating Bradley, none.

 

Jesus....do we needs to instill a "The Man" title now? Lets just convolute this **** even more why don't we.

 

Don't be silly.

The man at 135 is jmm, pac has beat him.

Hatton was clearly the man at 140, a claim he underlined by beating the second best lww in paulie, pac beat him.

Floyd retired and has been inactive. The highest ranked ww is pac.

The highest ranked lmw is cotto, pac beat him.

 

what you meant by recent is since when? ok let's compare floyd and pac's recent achivements for the last 3 years.

floyd:
juan marquez
shane mosley

pacquiao:
delahoya
hatton
cotto
clottey
margarito
mosley

tell me which of the two have accomplished more? the cotto win alone surpasses anyhting floyd has done fro the last 3 years and you still think that floyd has the better recent accomplishment?

 

Pac's recent career is a well-managed joke and only casual fans and pinoys are impressed. Even David Diaz was considered the weakest belt-holder at the time which is precisely why Pac picked him. It's all been hype since then. He's probably legitimately a HOF/P4P fighter, but since he hasn't fought the best in so many years, we'll never really know unless he beats Floyd or Sergio.

 

Hold on, martinez the man at 154? He's a mw dude, has been for his last few fights and the last two years.

 

This cherrypicking stuff only started after he fought margarito and mosley, before that it was never an issue because he basically fought good opponents, I wish he would have fought marquez and berto instead of margarito and mosley then this wouldnt be an issue.

 

Just to reitterate about pac's timeline and who the highest ranked in the division were/are:

135: jmm, pac just beat him

140: hatton, pac did beat him

147: pac himself

154: cotto, pac just beat him.

 

ok then.

floyd:
mosley @ WW
marquez @ WW
hatton @ WW
oscar @ LM
baldomir@ WW

pacquiao:
mosley @ WW
margarito @ LM
clottey @ WW
cotto @ WW
hatton @ LWW

still pac's win over cotto is way better than floyd's win over mosley or delahoya.

i didn't turn it to a floyd thread, i just compared it to someone that you said in this very own thread that has a better recent accomplishment. if you don't want it to be compared to floyd, you should have ommited his name in your opening post.

ok so let's see hopkins last 5 fights
pascal2
pascal
jones jr.
ornelas
pavlik

pavlik and pascal are good wins but i don't know about the other two.

 

The only fight worth criticizing is the Mosley fight.. Very bad choice of opponent who was completely undeserving and was a lose lose situation for Pac... every one else was world class at the time and were very good matchups, you can't help it that one guy is just that far above the elite level.. But usually the greatest fighters in the sport are able to do this to their opponents no matter the opposition... The man is on a different level right now, but he may be coming down soon..

 

The impressive thing is that Pacman is cleaning the welterweight division (Margo, Clottey, Cotto, Mosley were stil contenders). This is happening and Pac's fighting in many divisions above his best weight (126).

Try to think: Who did Roberto Duran beat at Middleweight? Iran Barkley and not many other fighters. Duran at Middleweight is like Pac at Welterweight: fighting 40 pounds over the weight class were their careers started. And Pacman has done better.