Has anyone ever blown up like Fury, and come back successful?

You're talking bollocks. Gladwell's "10,000 hour rule", or variations thereof, have been debunked many times over (the message baord won't let me attach any links, but just type in "10,000 hour rule" into Google and see how many rebuttals there are).

Yes, the vast majority of people who make it to the very top of their 'skill' based career will do so off the back of an insane number of hours practising. And to those that believe this nonsense, that is proof enough. However, what about all those that put in those hours and don't make it? Are we to seriously believe that the likes of Maradona, and Messi, just happened to be the hardest workers in soccer? That no one else in South American slums worked as hard?

And ultimately, the point is proven by those that didn't try as hard. Sport is littered with 'mercurial' talents who never seemingly gave a ****. Smoked. Drunk. Missed training. Ate terribly...yet still made to the top. How do you possibly account for them unless you concede that through a rare combination of genetic mutations, some people are simply born to do certain things.

 

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Former heavyweight champion James J. Jeffries had been out of the ring for 6 years and lost 110 pounds training for his fight against Jack Johnson.

 

This, genetic variations are not just phenotypical, or as one would say superficial IE height, hair color, etc. some people have a predisposition to succeed in certain elements.

 

Oh boy, when did I ever quote Gladwell? He's a popular fiction writer without scientific credentials. The 10,000 hour rule has been misquoted so often it just tells me how little time readers spend studying a subject. To make it short, Gladwell incorrectly quoted it from Anders Ericsson. Read "Peak" by Ericsson, I posted the link above -- written by a scientist, not a popular author like Gladwell. Ericsson found that master performers spent at least 10,000 hours of deliberate practice (the kind of practice that is hard, exhausting and making you want to quit) in their domain before they are considered elite.

In other words, just spending 10,000 hours playing tennis with other neighbor kids probably makes you a pretty decent player... compared to other neighborhood kids. It doesn't make you elite.

Putting in the hours is not enough. Ericcson calls it deliberate practice. That what separates kids from the favelas in Brazil playing for 20,000 hours and never making it anywhere from young kids who get top notch training in German or Italian training camps and making it to the top 100 later in life. Ericsson never said "Oh just play soccer with your friends for a couple thousands hours, you will be elite". Only idiots claim that. Gladwell made it sound like that and the media picked up on it.

Ericsson studied hundreds of world class performers. Violin players, piano players, golf players, chess players, singers, dancers, memory competitors. All of them had one thing in common. Before they were considered world class, they spent at least 10,000 hours honing their skills using the most brutal training regimes. A vast majority of that with a master trainer who pushed them outside of their comfort zone and made every hour count. Ericsson found each hour of practice needed to be carefully set outside of the current level of expertise of the performer - outside of their comfort zone - in order to increase the current skill level. Outside of the current level, not at the current level. That's where a master trainer comes in. And that explains why trainers are so important and highly paid in practically every domain.

The very best proof for the fact that talent being overrated are the Polgar sisters. Their father (Laszlo Polgar) predicted his children will be world class in their chosen domain before his kids were born. He sought out to disprove the entire 'innate talent' thesis. He adopted a deliberate practice learning regime for his kids from the age of 3 on. His daughters all became grandmaster chess players (top 0.001% of performers), with Judith becoming the best of them. All three of them became Top 10 players, one of them (Judith, the 'least talented one' during early childhood), is considered the best female chess player ever. They weren't born great chess players, they were made. Through endless hours training outside of their comfort zone. Laszlo Polgar's book (written before his daughters started learning chess) is called "Creating genius".

 

So you think that MJ would hav had a low standard of singing voice or just normal until his father put him thro the practicing... No it was because he had that talent that his father then made sure it was maximised

 

I don’t really get what you guys are saying about his voice. Are you talking about how it sounds kind of raspy like he has a cold? Is that some kind of sign of drug use / cocaine or something? Sorry, just not very knowledgeable on this subject.

 

I think Fury is just about young enough to pull this off, I'm not sure he'll do it in the time-frame though. 100lbs for those giants is nothing really. You see Big Show yoyo dieting throughout his career. Fury looks about 350lbs atm, getting down to 250lb is very doable. If Fury does manage to shed the lbs and beat both AJ and Wilder by this time next year would he make the P4P list? Hahah

 

Did anyone see his recent interview.
I hope he has a bad cold or something but he was sniffing every second and sweating badly.
Looks suspicious to me.
I hope I am wrong because I badly want him back.

 

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In this weighin with Wlad Fury was just under 247lbs and very motivated and active. I have a hard time seeing Fury working up the motivation to get back in tip top shape, but anything is possible.