Has anyone ever done more long-term damage to boxing than Wladimir Klitschko?

Chris Byrd beats both McCall and Rahman. What the **** are you talking about? Axel Schulz would have had a decent chance against McCall. Rahman was beaten out of the ring twice by Maskaev.

Losses happen, being knocked out by 6'4 southpaw with HW power isn't any more embarassing than being knocked down and revived with illegal smelling salts by 186 pound Henry Cooper. Wlad had his off - nights, like most fighters do over a long career. he also has been incredibly consistent now over five years, something very few HW's ever achieve, regardless of the level of competition.

 

Wlad has increased interest in HW boxing in Europe. You Americans have to get over your "God's own country" bull****, nobody is buying that anymore anywhere else in the world. America today doesn't stand for leadership of the free world and progressive values, but for greed, stupidity and a ridiculous attempt at clawing to the idea of being the best country in the world. Americans cannot appreciate educated fighters who don't ****, are no ex - convicst, don't beat up their wives and do drugs - their loss. If Wlad has pushed Americans away from HW boxing, it says something about Americans. Boxing doesn't need America, it will do fine in Europe, where all good HW's come from these days anyway.

 

He fights Adamek. Then there's no excuse. It's obvious doesn't want any part of Haye. But you will still get the delusional Klitschko nut huggers / Haye haters (not there's much difference) saying Haye ducked him.

 

Jacks American is he?

 

Yes, Lewis was CLEARLY the best. Wlad is not. Heck, your own post even gives a nod to Vitali. If it was so clear to everyone, you would not have needed to do that. I think it is perfectly reasonable to rate Vitali higher than Wlad. Vitali is a better fighter.

 

Saying it as it is!!

 

You mean increased interest in partizan "Germany" where you lose even when you win!! Don't even bother with "this part of the world is better than that part of the world ****." For all of his gifts Wlad sucks as an heavyweight champion; now he could be a closet "**x**x**x" but that doesn't change the fact that he's an underwhelming, no risk taking, unentertaining excuse for a champion.

Haye needs to move on and fight Vitali; he's probably **** scared though as Vitali's as tough as they come.

I hope Chisora knocks out Wlad - the operative word being "hope" 'cause we all know the outcome of this fight's a foregone conclusion.

 

Wlad if he read any of this would just laugh, why should he give a **** ?, surley its up to the last dozen men he has beat to you know do something against him ?, sure his style is boring, but it ****ing works, damn wish i could be able to fight like that, the rewards would be more then worth the racist hate, and yes a lot of it is that

 

I think the opposite. Vitali does most things better.

Footwork- Wlad is very basic He moves in straight lines. He can not punch on the move. Vitali can punch while moving. Vitali can punch while circling around.

Punching technique - Wlad's looks better. It's more textbook. But Vitali is more effective. Wlad throws the same three punches. form the same angle. Vitali throws from varying angles. Vitlai adjusts his punches for different ranges. If someone close, Vitali punches, if they are far away, Vitali punches. Wlad needs his ooponet to be perfectly placed standing still right in front of him. It's why he utilises the stiff arm. If someone gets too close to Wlad he only knows to hold.

Power - No contest, here Wlad hits harder

Speed - Wlads hands are faster, but Vitali is more mobile, and his defensive reflexes are better.

Countering - Vitali does it. Wlad does not

Workrate- Vitali throws way more punches.

Chin - No contest. Vitali's is good, Wlad's is not.

Versatility - Wlad fights in one style does not adapt, Vitali can adapt. Vitali changes to suit the situation. Wlad has one all purpose contingency plan... hold.

Toughness and the "X factor" - this is what really makes Vitali better. He is a natural fighter. He was born to fight, whereas Wlad learned how to. If these tow were not brothers and they fought each other, Vitali would win every time. He's better.



Then there is the resume argument. Yes, Wlad's is a bit better. Which is why I don't have too much of a problem if people want to rate Wlad higher. Like I said before it's a reasonable argument. But since there is a reasonable argument as to who is better, it does leave a situation where there is not a CLEAR number one guy. Wlad is not the Lewis of his time.

 

drugged by leather no doubt

 

And Vitali...

 

Exactly WHO did he beat to claim that title?

 

Vitali has a stronger claim to the linear title than Wlad does.

It ain't even close...

 

I think the better question is; HOW THE **** could you rate Wlad higher than Vitali?

Vitali has never been KO'ed by journeymen fighters and has beaten the better opposition.

Vitali > Wlad...