Has anyone looked as good as Ortiz and been so disappointing?

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I mean, the guy in the ring looks like an absolute beast when he's doing what he does well - he moves very quickly, he looks huge for the weight class he's in, he throws sharp hard punches and combinations, he's got a reasonable defense when he's actually using it.

    But all in all, he lets his guard drop, he slugs it out with people and then he decides he's had enough and gives in.

    I'm not going to call him a coward or anything but **** he must be frustrating for his trainer, the guy looks like someone who should be competitive against anyone in there yet he's getting spanked by basic no namers like Lopez and Maidana.
     
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  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    He's a huge waste of talent/potential IMHO. It's disappointing. He has so much potential. With a stronger mind and a better trainer he could've been terrific.
     
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  3. Steven.Jackson

    Steven.Jackson Mr. Chicken Full Member

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    All those physical assets mean nothing if he doesn't have the mentality and heart when the going gets tough
     
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  4. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Zab Judah
     
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  5. DogTheBountyMan

    DogTheBountyMan Guest

    Randal Bailey
     
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  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    This is even a worse case IMO

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  7. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :deal Toss in Ricardo Williams as well. They both came along around the same time. Future looked bright as hell for both! Sadly they didn't have the determination to go with that talent.
     
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  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Williams too. Just awful. Glass hearts on all of them :verysad
     
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  9. jeromejones

    jeromejones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    fernando Vargas
     
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  10. Kampioni

    Kampioni Good Boy Full Member

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    Victor Ortiz needs Pedro Diaz in his corner.
     
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  11. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    the guy is just not that good. get over it.
     
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  12. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Not the same boat. Vargas had two huge wins over Ike and Winky. He was just bested badly by Tito at an early age. How he looked before and after the Tito fights were like night and day.
     
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  13. Left Hook Tua

    Left Hook Tua Professional Pactard Full Member

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    ortiz has some tools.

    he has power. solid speed. some boxing skills.


    but the guy is kinda stupid. he also seems mentally weak.

    and the reason i say that is when i see him fight , he always seems to do the wrong thing on different occassions.

    example: against someone he probably should overpower , he'd end up boxing.

    against someone he probably should box , he'd end up slugging with them.

    he always seems to have the wrong gameplan and use the wrong tactics even in victory.
     
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  14. P5_Boricua

    P5_Boricua Active Member Full Member

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    Completely agree, that's why I hate when people say things like "Lara vs Cotto" Lara is good but ur basically throwing him in the lions Den too damn early
     
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  15. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    IDK, I think Lara vs. Cotto would be good one to make. The thing with Vargas, he had too much machismo to trade with someone like Tito. Lara's slicker style should keep him from the type of damage that could shorten a career. And Cotto is still a relatively small JrMW. Lara vs. Cotto is a 50-50 IMHO.
     
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