Has anyone seen LaMotta vs Cerdan?

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Ive got the film and have been lucky enough to have interviewed a few people who were there at the fight.

 

No I have about 10 mins or so which is all that exists.

The one interview I did which really stands out was with Alan Rosenfeld who wrote the book on Burley. Rosenfeld was ringside that night. He said that prior to the bout LaMotta was not given much of a chance by insiders who felt he was rapidly fading (which I partly agree with). He said LaMotta entered the ring with his leopard skin robe and when he took the robe off he looked like he was carved from stone. He said it electrified the crowd who now expected Cerdan to have a fight on his hands and that the audience all went "ooooh" in unison as the robe came off (they had not expected him to be in that great of condition). He stated that much has been made of Cerdan's shoulder injury but that what is rarely mentioned is that LaMotta was beating the hell out of Cerdan before the injury and that he was literally lifting him off the canvas with bodyshots (which was LaMottas specialty). He stated that he wasnt convinced by Cerdan's injury and even added that from his vantage point it looked like a half punch half push that sent Cerdan as opposed to the now accepted story that LaMotta wrestled him to the canvas. He closed by saying that he didnt think Cerdan would have beaten LaMotta that night with or without the injury.

Another guy I interviewed was Leon Thompson. He was an old fighter who fought out of Chicago and served as Zales sparring partner. He had sparred with Cerdan for the media prior to Cerdans bout with Zale, Anton Raadik, Jackie Conn, and several others. Decent club fighter. Anyway he didnt have much to add as we spoke more about Zale but he basically backed up what Rosenfeld said. He said he really liked Cerdan and that he was a nice guy (though he couldnt speak much english) but added that he didnt think Cerdan or Zale could have beaten LaMotta. I was surprised to hear him say that about Zale because he was really fond of Tony and kept in touch with him until Tony died. He was even kind of managed or at least helped a bit by Art Winch and Sam Piam (Zales handlers).

The Rosenfeld interview was from around 2004 maybe. The Thompson interview was around 1999 or 2000.

 

Both Thompson and Rosenfeld had a lot of great stories about LaMotta.

One of the best ones I remember from Rosenfeld: He was talking about all the fights LaMotta had in Detroit. He considered it his lucky town. He said he was fighting this guy there whose name escapes me. Anyway, LaMotta was giving this guy a terrible body beating. He was so focused on the body that he hardly threw any punches to the head. In about the 7th round or so this guy starts showing blood around the mouth and pretty soon his mouth just starts pouring blood. Everyone in the audience was puzzled because LaMotta wasnt throwing anything to the face and nothing significant to cause that kind of damage to his mouth. Pretty soon the referee stops the fight because of all the blood coming from this guys mouth and come to find out that LaMotta had beat this guy to the body so bad that he had internal bleeding and was spitting up blood! Rosenfeld was really impressed with LaMotta's body punching ability.

 

I have the ten min thing also.

Wish the complete fight made it, but its better than nothing.

 

Cerdan beats LaMotta everytime - the injury was real, it was a half punch push that sent Cerdan to the floor it's plain to see on the film as is Cerdan favouring his arm for the whole fight, plain to see...

and accepted by DAMN NEAR EVERYONE, it's plain to see!!!

Cerdan beats Jake, it's plain to see and why oh why would Cerdan do less than his fellow Frenchmen who weren't as good as him (great as they were mind you), Villimain & Dutheille (spelling)... Klomptons thoughts here - informed as he is mind you - are severely hindered, for reason only known to him!

 

Jake beat the **** out of Cerdan before the injury, almost floored him right off the bat. Was pummeling cerdan and mandhandling him around the ring. No way was Cerdan going to beat Jake Lamotta. Jake would have took apart cerdan all night. Jake was too strong on the inside, Cerdan couldn't hurt jake, and Jake could outwork Cerdan. People forget it was Lamotta's strength which caused Cerdan to get injured in the first place.


Lamotta always beats cerdan, and should get full credit for beating Marcel Cerdan

 

" Jake beat the **** out of Cerdan before the injury, almost floored him right off the bat. Was pummeling cerdan and mandhandling him around the ring. "

for what a minute and a half LaMotta opens determined to show his presence and then the injury - do you think that bothered Cerdan or any other Top fighter, my God their in some great battles every other week back then!

a minute and a half is your focus, but completely ignore the remaining 8 rounds where a injured fighter is CLEARLY favouring one of his arms, covered by dozens of reports and spectators(?).

Well if thats how you veiw sport with decisions already made against NOT ONLY what has been recorded, But PLAIN TO SEE ON FILM... well good luck to you and God help the great fighters you try to discredit!

 

Don't forget that Joe Walcott was also manhandling and pummeling Marciano (and DID floor him) early in their fight. But that wasn't ultimately the story of their bout at all, was it? But if Marciano, like Cerdan, had injured his shoulder and was forced to fight JJW with one arm then we may have had a much different result than the one that happened.

A one-armed Cerdan took Jake late into the fight. A two-armed one would have done much better and could very well have beaten LaMotta.

 

Man, LaMotta was all up in dem guts.

 

Jake Lamotta fractured his left hand early in the fight. Cerdan was not the only one with an injury. The injury to cerdan happened because of Lamotta's far superior strength. Even in the next 8 rounds, you can see Lamotta dominating Cerdan. Cerdan's left wasn't useless, he threw it from time to time. Lamotta was the better fighter, with the much better resume.