Has anyone seen LaMotta vs Cerdan?

Here's something to think about....would the Cerdan of that fight have lasted as long with Hagler, Monzon or Hopkins as he did with LaMotta?

 

Phys,As I have posted before on ESB ,in 1942 ,I,a youngster, was asked by my dad to join him to see the fights at the old St. Nicholas Arena,in NYC.
He wanted to see a prelim fighter he was interested on the card. Regretfully,
I refused his offer to go as i had some friends with me. Well my dad went
to the bouts and in the next morning he told me about the Main event fighter Charley Burley, who flattened his opponent in one round. I read a newspaper article in our local paper saying by a sportswriter that Burley scared off future opponents in New York, so dangerous a fighter was this Charley Burley.
The sportswriter was correct, as Charley Burley never fought in Nrew york again, and I passed a rare opportunity that night to see the great Charley Burley....But years later while I was in the Navy, I shook hands with Jimmy Leto, a former tough welterweight who once beat Charley Burley...Cheers...

 

Hopkins possibly....Never with the other two.

 

I don't think we'll ever know for sure and many people are simply arguing based on whether they are a fan of Lamotta or Cerdan, I'm not a huge fan of either so my questions are:

Was Cerdan's injury definately legit, or was it like an excuse like many? How bad was his shoudler injury, rotator cuff problems can vary from being? It certainly wasn't the right because he was throwing that fine, I'm guessing the left as he didn't throw that too much

Shoudler injuries certainly hamper performance but you can still win, Jesus Chavez was a 1 armed fighter against Morales, Mayweather had a rotator injury against Castillo, Vitali largely outboxed Byrd with a shoudler injury, Golota did his in against Byrd (many thought he won)

My opinion is what Lamotta was doing to Cerdan early before the injury was Mayweather-Gatti type stuff even if it was only the first round, I can't see Cerdan beating Lamotta personally

 

Cerdan had a legit injury. A torn supraspinatus, left shoulder.
The referee even said he heard something snap.

Whether it happened from Cerdan throwing a punch, or whether it was the fall to canvas - or most likely the first aggravated by the second - I don't know.
But it happened in the first round.

 

I fairness to most fighters back then, pretty much EVERYONE ducked Charley Burley...

 

U, to all posters who minimize the tremendous pain of a shoulder injury, well I have no cartillage remaining in my left shoulder, and at times the pain is so debilitating and painful. Can't raise my arm at all.
What happens to me if a thief puts a gun to my back and shouts,"stick em up" ? And I can't cooperate with him ? What next ?atsch
Cerdan did hurt his shoulder in the LaMotta fight in 1949. No doubt !
Would he have won the rematch ? Who truly knows ...

 

Well the supraspinatus is the most common rotator injury, but it doesn't mean he couldn't use the arm. It's more painful to punch with, but if you suck it up you can punch with it. What evidence is there for this injury, couldn't he have just used it as an excuse after?

BTW It's actually more likely to be torn missing a punch or a lingering injury than the throw having anything to do with it, it's quite unlikely to damage the rotator from a throw

That's a completely different injury Burt, I've had torn rotators similar to Cerdan's and I could throw some punches but not others, ie I could throw a right jab all day but be in a great deal of pain from throwing a straight right

You may benefit from supplementing with MSN and Glucosamine in high doses

 

There's not much reason to doubt that Marcel Cerdan made a fair effort.

The evidence for the injury is the eyewitnesses, the ringside reports, the film, the testimony of the referee, the diagnosis of the NY commission doctor.

The fact that he hardly used his left for the entire fight, and took a beating for much of the 9 rounds.

 

Burly was NOTHING like Jones, P. No flash at all. He was a brilliant ring general and colorless surgeon. No more than a blown-up welter.

He was clearly from an earlier era. Hair slicked down and parted in the middle, like all the pictures of Greb and Mickey Walker. His stance could have come right off the cover of the Police Gazette. The palms of his fists faced him, not sideways, as we're used to seeing now. It had that John L. Sullivan look.

The only thing he was missing to complete the picture were those skin-tight, knee-length trunks with the tied silk sash hanging down.

Burley moved well and circled in the pocket, but his stance -- believe it or not -- resembled Max Schmeling's against Joe Louis, with his head forward but all his weight and body back on his right foot. He'd sucker opponents into believing he was within range, to draw a right hand, then counter over the top.

He was a precision puncher but threw few; made every one count. Rarely threw a combination – only one punch at a time... or fought inside or against the ropes. He darted in, punched and quickly held and smothered.

Burley bided his time (translation:exciting as a diamond cutter) till he could fire his sniper-of-a-right, and rarely followed it with a left. His right was straight-as-a-level – had real pop, and without making elusive moves, was virtually unhittable

 

PP thanks, but i have taken MSN, Glucosamine,Chondroitan, and cortisone injections, and it has helped somewhat.:good

 

jg, best description of Charley Burley . on target .:good