Has Canelo ever defeated the #1 in any division without controversy?

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  1. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Facts none of those are my options that's what I know about G never beat another champ has only won vacant titles unless you count interim title
     
  2. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WBA SUPER CHAMP Sturm avoided him, IBF CHAMP Geale avoided him, later they unified and Geal beat Sturm, then Geale was Unified WBA SUPER/IBF Champ. Golovkin who was WBA regular was top challenger for Geales title, Geale gave up his belt. Later Geal gained the courage to fight GGG and got Blown out.Canelo was talking smack, but decided he wasn't ready and gave up his belt to wait 16 months. To make world champs cower and give up their coveted belts is impressive by itself.Daniel Jacobs was WBA regular. Canelo was Ring mag Champ, and 9 out of 10 people at least believe GGG won that as well. So what you are saying is not telling the whole truth. There is no justice for robberies,and fans twisting the truth for their agenda.Well , no, either a KO, or a robbery in the the other direction can even the balance. We can never depend on the judges to judge fairly in a Canelo fight.
     
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  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Don't change what I said
     
  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    still making this a 3G thread!?!? Yeah... you're not a troll... :lol:
     
  5. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    All true
     
  6. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow... that's a first, someone admitting to being a troll.
     
  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Amazing you came out again you are brave
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brave for what!?!?! Nothing to be BRAVE in this forum for. Man...you silly cliche ridden message boarders need to go outside once in a while. I forget how stupid little kids sound when they think they are witty and smart. :lol:
     
  9. shadow111

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    Well that's OK, you don't have to agree with the judges. There's some rounds they got right, other rounds they got wrong, like Round 3. You correctly scored that to Canelo, Byrd agreed, so did I, but the other two judges gave it to GGG. Round 3 was one of Canelo's best rounds, which even you would agree with since you scored it that way. So right there GGG already got scored a clear Canelo round for him that he didn't deserve to win.

    Along the same lines, Canelo was running away with the bout early on, winning at least 2 of the first 3 rounds if not all of the first 3 rounds, which could explain why all 3 judges gave GGG round 4, and also could explain why 2 of the 3 judges gave GGG round 3. And round 5, again 2 of the 3 judges gave that round to GGG. So you can make the same argument about the judges looking for reasons to give GGG rounds like 3-5 or even round 6 because it did appear like Canelo was in full control early and in big title fights, judges have a tendency to look for reasons to even things up if the guy who's losing has a better round, as GGG did especially in round 4 or 5. He had more success in those rounds than the first 3.

    Looking at rounds 3 and 5, in my view Byrd scored these rounds more accurately than the other judges. Round 3 you would agree with, and round 5, Canelo was clearly winning the round after the first 2 minutes, it was only the big shot by GGG with Canelo on the ropes and the late rally by GGG in the final minute that arguably stole that round for GGG. But can you really begrudge Byrd for giving that round to Canelo? And this is coming from someone who gave the 5th Round to GGG for that late rally, but I'm just saying it was a hard round to score and certainly Canelo controlled and outlanded GGG for more than half the round. For all the complaining about how bad Byrd scored that match, I really can't fault her too much in her scoring of the early rounds.

    If you're being honest, GGG was very lucky to win round 3 on 2 out of 3 judges cards, when almost everybody I talked to agrees it's a Canelo round. Even Lederman gave that round to Canelo if I'm not mistaken. GGG is also very lucky to win round 4 a close round that I thought Canelo edged, and Round 5 a round that Canelo had built a lead over the first 2 minutes. So if you want to argue that we should reconsider who won round 10 or 11, with you arguing GGG won, I am willing to consider your argument and take it seriously. But at the same time, on the flip side, we also need to consider my argument that Canelo won rounds 3-5 or at least 2 of those rounds. The 2 judges who gave GGG rounds 3-6 is pretty bad. At the same time, Trella giving Canelo round 7 was also bad. GGG clearly won that round.

    So I agree the judges got many rounds wrong, but you only seem to be focusing on rounds 1, 10 and 11, and ignoring rounds 3-6 which were given to GGG on 2 judges cards and frankly each of those rounds were arguably won by Canelo. But admittedly, they were close and hard rounds to score. But it still doesn't justify scoring 4 straight close rounds to the same fighter (GGG).
     
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  10. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    for a man but youre brave
     
  11. Anima

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    Had him winning the 2nd fight with GGG.
    They robbed GGG the first fight though.
     
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  12. iii

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    first ya "information " what kinda bloodclat idiot is this shadow-of-a-real-man...all I'm do is talk rubbish...is a lonely licle spunkbubble..
     
  13. The Real Lance

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    Brave for posting on a message board... we have different definitions of what constitutes bravery. :buenrollo:
     
  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Lol you can't let it go can you
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let what go? Just confused at what's "brave" about posting? Try posting like an adult w/ at the LEAST a HS education FFS....