Has Canelo ever defeated the #1 in any division without controversy?

Yeah with the help of his judges and PEDS.

 

Canelo has a great chin and defense, if he didn't he would have been KOED like the rest.

 

It's because he took risks and earned his popularity the hard way. He didn't munch on hopeless bums like the Tomato Can Devourer did and then beg for a payday. How many PPVs has he successfully headlined?. There's a reason the Tomato Can Devourer was begging him for a payday nonstop.

 

He had to take the risk and move up to accomplish that. Again, that's something the Tomato Can Devourer never had in plan.

 

Yeah, and we all know how competitive "the rest" were. It was so disgraceful, the Tomato Can Devourer was actually exploding into the arena as a 1/100 favorite.

 

See what I mean when I say you're mentally ill?.

 

The Tomato Can Devourer isn't the only risk he took.

 

Facts are facts.

 

You're really reaching here. With the age thing, he was 35 and 36, you're right congratulations. What you fail to see is that Golovkins timing, speed, lateral foot had objectively declined several fights before .

Jesus, just watch several fights of GGG in the lead up it's clearly observable - I don't understand why you're just blindingly accepting Canelos win like a fanboy. Regardless of the punishment he took, he had declined. Simple as, just watch. his. fights and look at the attributes I mentioned.

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So right you accuse me of trying to disparage Canelos win against GGG due to GGGs age- which was definitely a factor in his win, yet you disparage GGGs previous experience as an amateur with his record numbered around 300 wins and several losses. An amateur career far more extensive and of far higher quality than Canelos amateur experience. It's laughable people think Canelo's skills are better than GGG with stellar amateur and extensive amateur career Canelo was never going to catch up.

This just makes me think, and sorry to say this, that you have little awareness. You fail to take into account : GGG clear decline in his attributes previously AND the fact Jacobs looked 180lbs + on fight night, absolutely huge. If you know your boxing you'd know that extra weight and rehydration adds significantly to your ability to absorb a punch.

Yeah apart from they weren't. Watch the fight again and the exchanges. Flashy punches a lot of which were on the elbows and involved the inside of the glove- which isn't a legal blow if the rules of boxing are followed. I've seen the fight numerous times tried to see it from Jacobs perspective but have never given him the win. The rounds are close but Golovkin outlands him with cleaner punching. Watch the exchanges carefully, again.

Lol. Again not true. Weak jab? Honestly have you even watched the exchanges carefully. I can't count the amount of times I saw Canelos roided head snap back from it. And yes they were intermittent flashy punches, youre literally seeing what you want to see. And altho Canelo did land some beautiful shots, 2nd round left hook was lovely, many of these flashy power punches hit gloves, arms and elbows.

Golovkin outlanded Canelo in enough rounds to win the fight. I feel that your just seeing what you want to see and are a Canelo fanboy. I favour neither GGG and Canelo. GGG has a **** resume and Canelos resume has been carefully pick and chosen for him with numerous robberies on the way. There are about 4 extra fights that should have been scored against Canelo but he gets the benefit of the doubt all the time.. Its just ridiculous and it's ruining the sport.. Whatever man you keep believing in that fraud you're only fooling yourself.

 

Jesus Christ, GGG resume is pretty shallow but you Canelo fans are utterly deluded. I think there should defo be some mental capacity test for signing 70 to this site.

Would be an immediate ban for Scar and Shadow hahhaahahahah

 

Scar is completely mental. He craps on 3G for NOT challenging himself and then for ALSO trying to fight Canelo. I guess Scarred never thought of canelo as a challenge?

 

Canelo does not have a single win where he was far and away better than a top opponent. He always leaves something to be desired. Every great fighter has wins like that, Canelo does not, yet. Whether you think he won or lost those fights, my point stands. He was schooling Jacobs but he could not maintain it. Jacobs got his **** together and made it close.

 

Begrudgingly I say this but yes I wanted him to get sparked

 

Thinking like what? Derevyanchenko wasn't seen as an unbeatable monster KO artist like GGG was. Why don't you address the point rather than deflecting by bringing up GGG vs Derevyanchenko. And sure you could say that GGG gave Derevyanchenko the beating of his life I guess but Derevyanchenko didn't have the pedigree or hype of GGG. And frankly in saying that it goes to show how dangerous and powerful GGG still was when he fought Derevyanchenko which was after he fought Canelo twice, which is in stark contrast to the idea that GGG wasn't close to prime when he fought Canelo. If GGG was still able to put it on Derevyanchenko and give him the beating of a life time, then GGG couldn't have been as washed up prior to that when he fought Canelo which many still argue. You can't have it both ways.

 

And yet according to m.s., GGG still had enough left in the tank to give Derevyanchenko the beating of a life time which was several years after you claim "Golovkins timing, speed, lateral foot had objectively declined several fights before" he fought Canelo, a fighter in Derevyanchenko who was good enough to go wall to wall with Jacobs, losing a close but competitive hotley debated decision.

If that's the case, then how would he have still been able to give Derevyanchenko the beating of his life several fights after that. The onus is on you to prove what you're saying, not on me to see it. I find the arguments of GGG's decline to be grossly exaggerated and done so in an effort to discredit what Canelo did to him. Is there some truth to it, sure there is. GGG has gotten older and slowed down a tad from fight to fight, but nothing significant enough to justify the excuse-making from his fanboys when he got exposed twice by Canelo. I just find it funny that GGG fans talked all this shizz about what GGG was gonna do to Canelo, then Canelo whoops his ass twice and all his fans turn into sissy little girls crying about judging and saying how old GGG was. It's embarrassing.

His amateur record is one thing, his pro experience is another. As a pro he had never been tested by fighters who could take him into deep waters until he ran into Jacobs and then Canelo. That convieniently happened when GGG suddenly became old and washed up what a joke.

Clear decline right when he stepped up to fight Jacobs and Canelo. What a coincidence. Extra weight and rehydration affects every fighter differently. What Jacobs did ignoring the IBF rehydration rule then being the catalyst for getting the IBF rule changed in unification fights I didn't agree with. Frankly I thought that the was the IBF pandering to Jacobs complaining. But we seen how close Jacobs vs Derevyanchenko was when Jacobs was forced to stay under the rehydration limit. He struggled in a close competitive affair and I think we all saw that the rehydration limit affected Jacobs. But even when he totally ignored the rehydration limit vs Canelo, Canelo was schooling him for most of the bout before Jacobs rallied a bit towards the end to make it closer. All this just further supports how much better Canelo is than GGG. A younger GGG went life and death with Jacobs while Canelo had a much easier time beating him.

I just mean from the perspective of Jacobs was outlanded but arguably landed the better single shots vs GGG. I had G winning but many thought Jacobs did enough or at least made it very close. Many were surprised GGG couldn't really hurt or stop Jacobs.

Canelo ate GGG's jabs like skittles. His head snapped back a couple of times but it didn't deter Canelo from walking down GGG all night and dishing out a steady stream of punishment the likes of which GGG never experienced anything like before.

Cool story bro. You're just in denial of what happened. Canelo dethroned GGG. He put on a outboxing clinic the first time but GGG was gifted a draw the 2nd time he gave him the beating of his life Mexican Style the way GGG asked for it. When push came to shove, GGG wanted no part of a Mexican Style war with Canelo!