Has Canelo Had Most Consistently Bad Scorecards In Championship Fights Of Any Fighter In History ?

C.J. · Jul 8, 2023

m.s. said: ↑

Denero!! He's got the best resume in boxing though.
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The only reason being CORRUPTION in the officiating obviously. Bivol spanked him like a naughty child lol
Now hes dragging Charlo up FOURTEEN pounds instead of meeting his real nemesis, Bivol for all Canelos trinkets he scrounged@ 168 or Beterbiev @175. Fight night with Charlo Ginger will probably weigh 175 or more King of Boxing ?????????? ROFLMAO

C.J. · Jul 8, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

It doesn't happen consistently at all. It's because he's had a long list of championship fights and only in a fraction of those fights has their been controversial scoring. If you look at the number of championship fights he's been in vs the number of contentious cards it's not anything out of the ordinary. It's only because you're ignoring the sheer number of championship fights he's been in and the amount of stylistically difficult opponents he's faced in those fights.

It's not unsual for judges to be in disagreement in close fights between two fighters who are hard to win rounds against. Everyone you listed there are good fighters who are hard to win rounds against. When you have a fighter who is good at winning rounds consistently fighting fighters who are good at winning rounds you force judges to make difficult decisions in close rounds which produce cards that can be interpreted in various ways. In all the fights you listed, there were very few rounds in any of those fights (aside from Bivol) where Canelo's opponents clearly won many rounds. Most of the rounds in question were very even, hard to score, and it was splitting hairs to decide who won. That's why some judges decided to score them for Canelo, while other judges scored them to his opponent. Because they were *gasp* hard to score. That's what happens in boxing when the best fight the best and it goes the distance. And anyone who doesn't get this, anyone who doesn't understand how such a thing can happen in boxing when you have two great fighters fighting tit for tat round after round are clearly new to boxing and don't get how professional scoring works.
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Go write some fables for kids like Aesopp did your boxing fantasies are getting boring

C.J. · Jul 8, 2023

acie2g said: ↑

Debatable personally I feel like that’s why he get so much hate.. if Canelo-Lara was scored 7-5/7-5/5-7 SD for Canelo or Canelo-GGG I was scored 7-5/5-7/6-6 draw instead of having that one wide card nobody would complain and would just give him credit for winning close competitive fights.. because he gets that one. Crazy card tho it makes ppl react drastically in the other direction.
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Answer this ......... If that was the case why is it NO ridiculous scorecards are ever tendered against Canelo?
Floyd was the same The only one was CJ Ross's 114-114 against Canelo & they fired her lol

acie2g · Jul 8, 2023

m.s. said: ↑

I had Canelo doing better later in the fight, the last 3, but still losing 10 and 11, but deserving the 12th. Great fight, but a clear win for GGG, at least 90% of fans and experts believe GGG won.
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I had Canelo winning 3 of the first 4 and all of the final 3, with GGG winning everything in between that. At certain points during that fight Canelo was hitting GGG with every punch in the book, mid fight it seemed he gassed and GGG out worked em with his constant pressure. I thought the final 3 championship rounds Canelo found that gear he had early on and managed to take the last 3 but that’s just my opinion on it.
I think it all comes down to perspective and styles Canelo boxing off the back foot peppering hard hooks and uppercuts, or GGG’s relentless pressure and jab.

m.s. · Jul 9, 2023

acie2g said: ↑

I had Canelo winning 3 of the first 4 and all of the final 3, with GGG winning everything in between that. At certain points during that fight Canelo was hitting GGG with every punch in the book, mid fight it seemed he gassed and GGG out worked em with his constant pressure. I thought the final 3 championship rounds Canelo found that gear he had early on and managed to take the last 3 but that’s just my opinion on it.
I think it all comes down to perspective and styles Canelo boxing off the back foot peppering hard hooks and uppercuts, or GGG’s relentless pressure and jab.
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The way i saw the last 3 rounds, was Canelo uped his pace and GGG uped his pace even more than he had in all the previous rounds he won. Canelo only edged the first minute but not by much then Golovkin bossed the next 2 minutes of the rounds resulting in GGG winning rounds 10 and eleven, but round 12 Canelo did enough, he didnt just fight the first 45 seconds.

Wizbit1013 · Jul 9, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

This topic is for noobs. People complaining about several controversial cards are forgetting how many times he's fought fighters who are difficult to win rounds against. Canelo has more championship fights against quality opposition than anyone in the sport by a mile. The more championship fights your in, the more potential for controversial scores. Canelo has taken on more stylistically difficult opponents throughout his career than anyone else in boxing has.

If you never challenge yourself, if you don't take tough fights, as Canelo has, then the possibility of controversial scores don't exist. People disagree with these scores mainly because they count punches and refuse to recognize how difficult it is to score against Canelo, because he rarely gets hit clean, lands harder punches, scores to the body, and employs high level ring generalship.
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You would blatently sub to Canelo's Only fans if he had one

C.J. · Jul 9, 2023

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

You would blatently sub to Canelo's Only fans if he had one
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Shadow has to be Canelo's #1 fan, he's besotted with him lol There are a few more pretty close behind though
t beats me how they cannot see through him, but Floyd was the same way.These people aren't just fans they
treat both as God like figures to me. Strange

FrankinDallas · Jul 9, 2023

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

You would blatently sub to Canelo's Only fans if he had one
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He's already been on a Tinder date with Saul.

m.s. · Jul 9, 2023

vilderbeast said: ↑

Bivol destroying him over 12 rounds and still only winning 115-113. Joke. That's how bad you need to beat Canelo in the the spotlight to even edge a win. So many more exciting boxers out there but somehow he gets the hype.
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Hey, he had the Mariachi singers and the girls twirling around in their mexican dresses all the while being talked up by the networks. It wasn't part of the plan to have Bivol defeat him. The guy with the hoopla is supposed to win.

Murderers' Row · Jul 9, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

Yeah case closed. The GGG hype machine still desperately trying to spin GGG's stinker last September into "competitive".

Pathetic. Bunch of GGG spin doctors round here.
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Pretty sure 99.99% predicted Alvarez to win but do you honestly think he won the first fight? Don't even think he won the second fight..

And no I don't hate Alvarez. I love to watch him fight.

m.s. · Jul 9, 2023

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Of course you didn't, you cherry picked examples. No, Mayweather vs Canelo was way more competitive than Canelo GGG 3. GGG did next to nothing for the first 8 rounds. Against Mayweather Canelo came to fight and made an exciting fight. Last September, GGG was very disappointing and was dominated. Horrible comparison.

And no, the fans disagreed with you. The fans overwhelmingly saw it as a one-sided Canelo domination. You're in the minority on this one bud, on this one you agree with your "corrupt" judges.
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Canelo only landed 10 more punches than GGG in trilogy fight. Just because Golovkin wasn't pushing that hard on the gas peddle doesn't changa that.

Bustajay · Jul 9, 2023

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It was. The judges had it 116-112, 117-111, and 114-114. Those are close scores.

And before you throw a hissy fit about that, lets remember that the difference between 117-111 and 114-114 is 3 close swing rounds.

What happened in Mayweather Canelo was similar to Bivol Canelo in that there were very few rounds that Canelo clearly won. Against Canelo, if you studied the closeness of the rounds, you'd know that Mayweather won less rounds clearly against Canelo than Bivol did. And Canelo kept more rounds close against Mayweather than he did against Bivol. Against Bivol, the maximum rounds I could give Canelo was 5. Against Mayweather, Canelo arguably won 6 or 7 rounds. But that doesn't mean I agreed with the 114-114 card. I've explained this. Because several of the rounds CJ Ross gave to Canelo in my view he didn't deserve to win, and on the contrary, several of the rounds Ross gave to Mayweather (like round 4) in my view he didn't deserve to win. So I didn't find that card reasonable due to the specific rounds she gave each fighter.

I thought Mayweather won the match pretty clearly, but on a round by round basis, you can make the case that Canelo won 6 or 7 rounds. I personally gave Canelo 4 rounds. Specifically rounds 2, 3, 4, and 10. But it should be noted, so you understand, that each one of those were very close and could be argued for Mayweather as well. I scored rounds 6 and round 12 even. So I had Mayweather winning narrowly, but several of the rounds Mayweather won he won clearly by a pretty wide margin, while the rounds that Canelo won were extremely tight.

So that's what happens in boxing, when you have one fighter who wins more rounds clearly, and overall performed better, but the other fighter keeping a lot of rounds close where judges have to split hairs to decide who won them. That's what happened in Mayweather Canelo and why, although I had Mayweather winning narrowly, I do consider it a clear win for Mayweather. In the case of the Bivol match, the first 4 were extremely close, and Canelo clearly won the 9th round, but outside of those 5 rounds, the other 7 rounds were pretty clear for Bivol. So in both these matches I thought Canelo clearly lost, but on a round by round basis in terms of scoring they were both very close matches.

And for the people who disagree, which seems to be the vast majority of boxing fans, which is fine. I would just say that to each his own. I am happy to be in the minority who thought those were close matches. And there are plenty of scorers on this very website who like to play the "I'm in the majority" card when it comes to these two fights, but in other cases the shoe has been on the other fight. In Canelo GGG 3, for example, some of the same people who mock me for seeing those matches as close, when the majority see them as one-sided, see Canelo GGG 3 close and agree witht he judges there, where the vast majority of media and fan scorecards had that far wider than the judges had it.

So it's not as if those who disagrees with my scoring are always in the majority. Canelo GGG 3 taught us that, sometimes, they are in the minority and I'm in the majority. The one thing about me is that I don't give in to peer pressure, I don't score fights a certain way just to appease the popular crowd or to "fit in". I scored those as accurately and as fairly as possible. Feel free to disagree and if you really wanna have a discussion about it, explain why, but the petty bickering is unnecessary. Canelo haters try to label me a fanboy because I had Canelo's 2 losses close, or the draw with GGG a Canelo win. My view of these matches shouldn't get your panties all up in a bunch. I would advise you to simlpy live and let live. I get that I'm in the minority in how I scored them, and I could care less about that. What I would say to anyone who call me a fanboy though for my view of any of Canelo's matches simply aren't playing with a full deck. You need to get your head out of your ass and realize that scoring is subjective and that your way of scoring isn't the be all end all. Group think and confirmation bias is very prevalent when it comes to Canelo matches. For whatever reason, he's a polarizing figure and in my view, most fans do not know what to look for when scoring his matches. But that's just how I see it. Don't get caught up in the mindless drama of scorecard disagreements. Everyone has their own view of what happened inside a squared circle and that's not gonna change.
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I can’t help but imagine you never get laid because all your free time is dedicated to writing several novel about how great Canelo is on this forum.

Keep being you as I enjoy the laughter

Bustajay · Jul 9, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

Nobody was robbed kirk!! Canelo beat all them dudes.

He couldn't beat Bivol or Mayweather though. He gave them too many weight advantages but he was daring to be great. Canelo is undefeated at his normal weight.

No one has ever beaten Canelo without the aid of significant weight advantages.Canelo sacrified himself time and time again to make big fights and chase greatness.
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Wait—Didn’t you say weight is not a factor for his fight with little Charlo???? Cmon bro you can’t have it both ways unless you also like the D and the P—LOL

Bustajay · Jul 9, 2023

shadow111 said: ↑

Canelo did way better against Mayweather over the first 6 than GGG did in Canelo 3 and that's not even debatable.
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splatter69 · Jan 19, 2024

Can’t let this gem fade away to Bolivian

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